Floor ruling - who's fault is this?

[El Diablo]

yn,

So you are looking at your stack not doing anything for TEN SECONDS? And then, you are playing with your chips for ANOTHER TEN SECONDS? And you haven't said anything this whole time? And people are checking around the table. And you are surprised everyone assumed you checked? Pay attention next time and try to act faster.

[young Nut]

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its very simple.

the dealer announces "check" as players are checking. At what point did you think it necessary to inform the table that you had not checked? After everyone else had checked behind and you had that added information?

Its the players responsibility to follow the action and protect their own action.

Where does this idea that its the dealer's responsibilty to babysit all the players? If the dealer announces that you checked and you didn't, or another player checks behind you out of turn, simply announce, "wait! I haven't acted" immediately.

Simply: If you don't understand the rules, things like this are going to happen, and its not the dealer's fault when it does.

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for what it's worth, the dealer said nothing. The only thing I heard before betting was one check from the old lady across the table. If I had heard another check I would have spoken up, but one person checking out of turn is a very very common thing especially for an old lady. I understand the game, I just did not think it was my responsibility to make sure everyone else does.

[young Nut]

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yn,

So you are looking at your stack not doing anything for TEN SECONDS? And then, you are playing with your chips for ANOTHER TEN SECONDS? And you haven't said anything this whole time? And people are checking around the table. And you are surprised everyone assumed you checked? Pay attention next time and try to act faster.

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After further thought on how much ten seconds really is, I do not think it took me this long. I thought about it for probbaly 3-5 seconds, and it took me probably 5-7 seconds to count out the bet in chips.

Basically the way I remembered it was I waited for the SB to check, then I thought for a second and looked at the other players (not ten seconds of this), then I looked down to count out the bet. While counting out the bet I heard the one check, and by the time I bet the tabled had checked around.

And also, I made absolutely no check motion, I said nothing, and the only thing I did with my hands was count out chips. Isn't it the dealers responsibility to determine whether I have checked or not? If there is ambiguity, shouldn't he ask me if I checked?

[RR]

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And also, I made absolutely no check motion, I said nothing, and the only thing I did with my hands was count out chips. Isn't it the dealers responsibility to determine whether I have checked or not? If there is ambiguity, shouldn't he ask me if I checked?


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If he sees you have cards and isn't sure he should ask you. Sometimes the dealer doesn't see your cards and skips over you.

Also with tho old lady hearing one person check out of turn is enough that you MUST speak up, if one checks out of turn and you don't speak up/ge tthe dealer's attention you have accepted the action as being proper.

Someone in this thread mentioned the dealer saying "check." The dealer should not be saying "check" the dealer should move the action wiht their eyes. When the dealer tries to call out the checks he will slow the action and/or confuse the players. An example the first player checks. The next player and the dealer see this at the same time. Now if the dealer tries to say "check" at the same timet he second player bets the third player is left wondering what is going on becasue the dealer is saying "check" at the same time he sees chips coming out fo the second player's hand. Typically the dealer should announce when the amount of the bet changes (bets and raises). In small games the dealer might announce the first check to gt the players moving.

[flubsy]

yet the floor came over and everyone concurs that they checked behind you? this was a mute game? noone said check and the dealer just ignored the checking, but everyone could follow what was happening except you?

Well, that was your problem then. You were obviously playing "bizarro poker" on the planet neptune where everything happens different than everywhere else- to your distinct disadvantage.

bad beat man. I'd stop playing there...neptune I mean. Start playing at the numerous B&M casinoes I play at where I have but to watch and listen and I can follow the game just as well as the rest of table.

[SheridanCat]

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I don't think its very uncommon or out of line to take 10-20 seconds to act.

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So, you're the guy.

Seriously, it's up to you to protect your action. Say "bet" and then take as long as you need to get the chips out. Or say "time" and think about your bet. Ten or twenty seconds to act without saying anything is way too long. You also could easily make a motion that could be interpreted as a check.