Question in $225 Stars Turbo hand. - Page 2

RaiNKhAN · #11 06-16-2006, 01:40 AM

obviously I can fold it preflop but I called with the intention of hitting two pair, not one pair.

AMT · #12 06-16-2006, 01:41 AM

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easy fold preflop.

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thats what the fold pf from the last post meant. the idea, as you well know, is to not get yourself in trouble early with a hand like this when you dont have to, just not worth it, keep it tight this early.

as played, i dont think youre folding flop...i would not, but i would also just shove over his raise to 200 instead of min raise.

ilya · #13 06-16-2006, 02:03 AM

ok i see the result so that may be influencing my opinion (plus i'm generally weak-tight), but what do you beat exactly? first shover raises flop, announcing that he has something pretty decent...then you re-raise behind him like you don't care, with the guy who bet out still live behind you, and yet he still shoves? it's hard to figure he could expect to have FE with a hand like spades or KQ, so the only draw i could see him having is KsQs. An overpair is unlikely given the preflop action if nothing else, plus even if he somehow overlimped with AA, surely it wasn't with the idea of stuffing his stack in against heavy action in an unraised pot with a JTx flop? And a weaker two pair makse no sense. IMO his range is exactly JT/44/TT/JT/KsQs, so whether you should call or not depends on how much weight you want to give to the KsQs/JT possibilities. But, it's thin since you barely have odds even if you give full weight to those possibilities...OTOH some players would probably just open-fold JT there preflop, and many would raise TT/JJ...hmm.