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06-15-2006, 08:01 AM
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Im lost with AA
Villan is unknown. I have been at the table for 1 orbit and he has not played a hand that I remember. Poker Tracker does not support this site so no stats. Effective stacks are 400.
2/4NL full table -Middle position limps -Villan limps in next -I raise to 24 on the button with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] -Villan is the only caller Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot is $58) -Villan checks -I bet $56 -Villan raises to $130. Is this a case where I should be calling and shoving on a brick turn against an unkown? I am really lost in this spot. I do have the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] so how would that change your line if I didnt? 
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#2
06-15-2006, 08:35 AM
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Re: Im lost with AA
vilain limped behind a limper, so the only hand that could make sense to me is a set of deuces, maybe a really weird KJ. I would push this hand pretty fast I think, if he has 222, bad luck...
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#3
06-15-2006, 08:52 AM
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Re: Im lost with AA
I think this is a really easy fold without a read (that villain is a huge donkey) and you'll see JJ or 22 here the vast majority of the time and KJs some of the time. In full ring 400NL the EP limp/call raise followed by a flop minraise screams set. The fact you have the ace of clubs and the king of clubs is on the board makes this even less likely to be a semi-bluff with a flush draw. Your avg player at these stakes isn't calling your PFR with any 2 suited in the EP and then minraise bluffing at that flop.
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#4
06-15-2006, 09:12 AM
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Re: Im lost with AA
From what we know:
He hasn't played 1 orbit, so he is either picking his spots, a tight player, or just had crappy starting hands. Assuming the first two, what hands could he have that scare you? KK/JJ - most players will PFR with these, especially in mid position with 1 or no callers in front of you, so you really can't put him on these 22 - as said above, this is a possibility, but a 6x BB raise to a tight player? I would think he'd junk that every time. QJ clubs - very loose call by him pre-flop, and just dumb to miniraise in EP after a pot sized bet with an overcard on board I would put him on AK, MAYBE KQ. I think he's one of those pick your spot guys with AK/KQ, flopped his K, and knew you were going to continuation bet after the flop so checked into you. I'd push.
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#5
06-15-2006, 09:18 AM
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Re: Im lost with AA
[ QUOTE ]
From what we know: He hasn't played 1 orbit, so he is either picking his spots, a tight player, or just had crappy starting hands. Assuming the first two, what hands could he have that scare you? KK/JJ - most players will PFR with these, especially in mid position with 1 or no callers in front of you, so you really can't put him on these 22 - as said above, this is a possibility, but a 6x BB raise to a tight player? I would think he'd junk that every time. QJ clubs - very loose call by him pre-flop, and just dumb to miniraise in EP after a pot sized bet with an overcard on board I would put him on AK, MAYBE KQ. I think he's one of those pick your spot guys with AK/KQ, flopped his K, and knew you were going to continuation bet after the flop so checked into you. I'd push. [/ QUOTE ] If he's folding 22 or any low pair there he's folding KQ as well for the most part. So his range is either much wider (including KJs, Q10s, 22, JJ, etc.) or much tighter (22, JJ). Since he's completely unknown I think you have to presume he has you beat here and do so until proven otherwise. At these stakes it seems like most players read a book somehwere saying to always call any raise OOP with any pair and then min check raise the flop or turn when you hit.
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#6
06-15-2006, 09:35 AM
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Re: Im lost with AA
That a good point about the KQ at this table limit. AQ and AK has him dominated.
I think I still put him on AK though. Maybe call the raise and see what happens on the turn? Rather than push and lose, it could be worth the extra 50 bucks to see just how committed he is to his hand.
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#7
06-15-2006, 01:04 PM
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Re: Im lost with AA
I pushed and he showed JJ. The more I think about it the more I think im gonna see a set here most of the time.
If I dont have the Ac then do you think it would be good to just call the flop then push a non club turn since villan could be semi-bluffing the nut flush draw?
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#10
06-15-2006, 06:13 PM
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Re: Im lost with AA
[ QUOTE ]
I pushed and he showed JJ. The more I think about it the more I think im gonna see a set here most of the time. If I dont have the Ac then do you think it would be good to just call the flop then push a non club turn since villan could be semi-bluffing the nut flush draw? [/ QUOTE ] If you don't have the Ac then it wouldnt be bad to call the flop minraise, but never push the turn. If he leads turn, fold. If he checks turn either bet and fold to a raise, or check and then call any non all in bet on the river (if its a non club) and call some of the time if its a club.
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