No LA Poker Classic thread?

[Alan Goehring]

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That K8 call was donk-tacular.

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If by donk-tacular you mean +EV, I agree.

Two key points:
1. The binds were 250k/500k/50k ante, so we were playing at about 10-12x BB. At 10x BB, if you play optimally against someone who moves all-in every hand (without looking at their cards), you will win 51% or 52% of the time, depending on who started with the big blind. So, gaining a significant edge by "outplaying" an experienced opponent is simply not a viable option with such large blinds (i.e. in "crapshoot" territory).

2. After the blinds increased, Daniel Quach moved all-in 5 of the 10 times he had the button, or one-half the time. He was in "all-in" mode, as a good player should be with the large blinds.

My thinking was that if he is moving all-in half the time, I should call with any hand in the top quartile of all hands, of which K8o is right on the border. With $1.1mm of dead money, I was getting slightly better than 6:5 odds, meaning I needed to be 45.45%+ to win.

Furthermore, we had almost the exact situation on the last hand of the most recent WPT event (Mirage May 2006). Stan raised to $1mm (pot committing himself), and Harry moved all-in (about $1.2-1.3mm more, which was 11-12BB's total) with K6o. Harry risked all his chips (more than 10bb's) with a lowly K6o, knowing he would get called, and I see nothing wrong with his play.

For those who think it was a bad call, I would like to know what your standards (i.e. threshold hands)would have been in my situation? (not that I would ever change my opinion)

Don't feel bad, Mike Sexton, Mike Matusow, and others also thought it was an awful play. I do like the word "Donk-tacular". Although it looked like I played terrible, every play I made at the FT was the correct play for me based on my "overall integrated strategy", which I am not going to expalin.

[Yaboosh]

And of your two televised floats out of position with only overs?

[irish79]

Get the hell out of here. Alan G my ass... very nice explaination of the situation and the call though!

[Yaboosh]

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Get the hell out of here. Alan G my ass... very nice explaination of the situation and the call though!

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Yeah, it is completely unreasonable that a poker pro would ever post on these boards...

[Alan Goehring]

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And of your two televised floats out of position with only overs?

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As I said, I am not going to explain. I don't see any upside to revealing my stratigies, unless they are of a simple and/or obvious nature. (I don't even discuss strategy with any other player(s)). I do think people need to stop looking at (single) hands in a vacuum.

We live in a free world and it common (and perfectly OK) for people to mock what they don't understand---you can join Phil Hellmuth and many others---the proof, ultimately, will be in results. If you believe these were terrible plays, that is fine with me.

[regular]

heh I thought the idea around here was not to be results oriented

[Alan Goehring]

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Get the hell out of here. Alan G my ass...

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If I posted my theories under an alias, people would tell me I am a crazy madman that has no idea what he is doing. Wait, they do that anyway.

[shaniac]

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And of your two televised floats out of position with only overs?

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As I said, I am not going to explain. I don't see any upside to revealing my stratigies, unless they are of a simple and/or obvious nature. (I don't even discuss strategy with any other player(s)). I do think people need to stop looking at (single) hands in a vacuum.

We live in a free world and it common (and perfectly OK) for people to mock what they don't understand---you can join Phil Hellmuth and many others---the proof, ultimately, will be in results. If you believe these were terrible plays, that is fine with me.

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Alan,

It's obvious that you've put a lot of thought, or energy or whatever, into your style and come up with something original that seems to perplex/amaze pros and amateurs alike and seems to work; those who criticize your plays here are probably more comfortable thinking your unconventional techniques have no merit than to have to wrap their minds around a new concept.

I'm curious, more generally, about what it is about your style that makes it succesful: Have you unearthed better math than the rest of us, or do you credit your game's efficacy to its ability to confuse opponents into making mistakes?

I know you aren't trying to needlessly hand out strategic gems, but I was hoping you'd be willing to discuss how ingenuity and creativity factor into your game relative to the math.

[La Brujita]

I didn't realize he had been moving in alot. For some reason I thought it was the first time he moved in. Also didn't realize the blinds were quite that big. Now the call makes much more sense.

More importantly, Alan how much are you willing to pay for pictures of an semiattractive man multitabling 30-60? Are we talking hundreds? Thousands? Tens of Thousands?

[Alan Goehring]

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heh I thought the idea around here was not to be results oriented

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Sorry, you are right. My old habit of playing bad and winning money is nothing more than a vicious addiction that feeds on itself and can not be easily broken. Note to self-----seek help immediatley.