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Chaostracize · #1 05-17-2006, 11:36 AM

No reads. Villain seems solid, hasn't done anything out of the ordinary and has a good sized stack. 3 bet turn? Check call river? Bigger river bet then fold?

Sooooo ruuuusty.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($3844)
Hero ($2706)
BB ($1970)
UTG ($2200)
MP ($7063.01)
CO ($3089.51)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, MP calls $20, 2 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $45, BB folds, MP calls $45.

Turn: ($150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $125, MP raises to $250, Hero calls $125.

River: ($650) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

I bet 450, Villain pushes (just under 2k more to me).

MDMA · #2 05-17-2006, 11:38 AM

I'm definately check-raising river here.

ilikeaces86_ · #3 05-17-2006, 11:39 AM

ehh? You have the second nutz.

jamazon · #4 05-17-2006, 11:46 AM

Check-raising is the worst line in this spot. You give a chance for worse hands to fold and better one to call.

gomberg · #5 05-17-2006, 11:47 AM

w/out a read I probably call this...

I wouldn't check-raise river here because those bets are used for a cheap showdown a lot of times (at least in my experience).

I don't mind the call on the turn, but I will be 3-betting this some of the time depending on the opponent and our past history.

I'm assuming you lost to like KTh cause you posted...

jamazon · #6 05-17-2006, 11:50 AM

3rd nuts.

2h 5h.

jamazon · #7 05-17-2006, 11:55 AM

If he is "solid," I doubt he's shoving in here with a 10 high flush or worse. The min turn raise could mean anything with the flush card but with a shove in the end, it screams a monster. I'm guessing 65% K9, 20% Kxh, 5% 2h5h and 10% bluff (Harrington's Law).

MDMA · #8 05-17-2006, 11:58 AM

You're kidding me right jamazon? You think a lower flush is often folding to a c/r on river? As played, I'm definately calling river here, if he's got the king (or a silly straightflush) he's just gonna have to show it. Only reason to not 3-bet turn if we don't have any reason to suspect he's ever bluffing with that minraise, and instead choose to stop-and-go is that it's much more likely that an A-pair type of hand will pay off you that way. So, if we suspect it's a cheap showdown play, it's definately better to call and fire river.

But, as played, without reads, I'm gonna let him fire river as well if he's bluffing and c/r, since I'm looking to maximize my value versus a flush here, and if he did get some kind of strange straight on turn he's definately gonna fire river again if checked to given action so we don't loose value from that either by checking and not betting.

Chaostracize · #9 05-17-2006, 01:05 PM

Yup. I call thinking "does he ever NOT have KThh here?". Just wanted to make sure I wasn't going insane, because his bet is pretty big, and his line is very indicative of a monster.

TheWorstPlayer · #10 05-17-2006, 01:15 PM

he def does not always have KThh. sometimes he has 25hh.