Any Questions??

[Xellos]

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Just be assured that doing that on a regular basis costs you money in the long run...not to mention a set of dueces is more susceptible to losing to mo' bigga sets (obviously) etc.

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Men really don't pay attention very well....
I never said I do that on a regular basis, you guys just reconfirmed why I do not post on strategy forum. If you were not physically sitting at my table at that given moment, your opinion is irrelevant. I can care less what other people think about my playing, I won a pot over $2k with a risk of $240.

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Jean -

I'm not trying to tell you what you should have done here. I'm just trying to explain what the others are saying.

See, you won a $2k pot. Great. But you probably put in $800 or more into that pot (granted, most of it was while you had a set, and thus were way ahead, which is good). But this means that you WON $1200. Your profit was about $1200.

So, lets say that you'll win $1200 when you flop a set and NEVER LOSE. Obviously, this won't happen, but it's sorta a 'best case scenario' for you. You risked $240 to win $1200. You got 5:1 on your money. However, the odds of flopping a set are 7.5:1.

Now, you may think "but the odds of flopping, turning, or rivering a set is more like 4:1", and that's true. However, if you are committed to going to the river without a set, then your investment will be substantially more than just $240.

Soooooo, best case scenario (sets never lose), you'll get about 5:1 on worse than a 7:1 shot. If I had an 8 sided dice, and said "Jean, when I roll a 2, I'll give you $1000, but for every other number I roll, you owe me $200", would you do it? I sure hope the answer is "no way". But that's really what you are doing by calling the 3 bets cold w/ 22.

That's why people here are giving you a hard time. This is really glossing over some of the bigger negative aspects, as well. The initial raiser could 4-bet and then it could be capped, and you'd be stuck putting in $400 preflop. If you lose, you'll end up losing well over $1000 (because there will be a ton of raising and reraising if it's set over set, etc).

Again, play it or not, that's your decision, and that's what makes poker awesome. I just wanted to shed some light on why the guys here are giving you such a hard time.

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Josh,

You have played some hours with me, especially when I was first learning and was absoulutely horrible. But I still managed to win, sad but true.
I understand the whole mathematics to poker. I'm not saying what I did was right. I put in so many hours into live poker that I see certain hands that constantly win within a session. Don't tell me that you never sat at a table where, for example, KJ wins alot of pots, cracking Aces and alot of other hands. Did anyone bother to read that I had flopped a set with deuces 3 times within 2 days, which was very profitable?? Which is why I decided to play the hand. Whether you want to believe it or not, poker also has a luck factor. I'm just letting you know my personal experiences, I don't expect anyone else to understand it. I shouldn't get criticized for a play I made once.

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Wow.

[fyodor]

This whole 22 thing reminds of Doyle Brunson. He's always prattling on about playing rushes and having a "feeling". If Gluck wants to go down that road, good luck to her. We all know how busto Doyle is.

Oh.. I guess I should add a question considering the title of the thread. Have you ever though about playing at WPEX? No rake baby!!!

[MsGluck]

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This whole 22 thing reminds of Doyle Brunson. He's always prattling on about playing rushes and having a "feeling". If Gluck wants to go down that road, good luck to her. We all know how busto Doyle is.

Oh.. I guess I should add a question considering the title of the thread. Have you ever though about playing at WPEX? No rake baby!!!

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I actually never heard of it...I don't play much online

[fyodor]

Have a look just for the hell of it. worldpx.com

[A S U]

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:Ahem: you said any questions?

MsGluck,

Is 3rd input available?

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You are right....here is my answer - No Comment

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You suck at ask me threads.

[CrayZee]

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You're aguments are very weak and unsubstantial

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ahahahahaha.

your arguments on the other hand are logically infallible:

"i was feeling it"

"i had 3 sets of 2s already"

"i like to play rushes"

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You forgot the "QED" at the end of the argument.

[El Diablo]

Jean,

The problem here is that many of these guys are young "online only" players. They have not spent the time that you have playing live poker against real people with real cards.

I have had success playing both online and in cardrooms (Bay Area cardrooms, Bellagio, Commerce) at limits up to 200-400 LHE and 50-100NL. Part of the reason I have had this success is I understand the differences between the two and understand the situations when it is right to play hands like 22 and KJ that at other times might not be right.

As some of these guys gain more experience, they will understand the differences in strategy when playing live and at higher limits and will give you the respect you deserve.

I hope you accept my apology for the rudeness of some of these forum members. It's nice to have a classy person like you participating on these forums, there aren't enough of them.

[MsGluck]

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Jean,

The problem here is that many of these guys are young "online only" players. They have not spent the time that you have playing live poker against real people with real cards.

I have had success playing both online and in cardrooms (Bay Area cardrooms, Bellagio, Commerce) at limits up to 200-400 LHE and 50-100NL. Part of the reason I have had this success is I understand the differences between the two and understand the situations when it is right to play hands like 22 and KJ that at other times might not be right.

As some of these guys gain more experience, they will understand the differences in strategy when playing live and at higher limits and will give you the respect you deserve.

I hope you accept my apology for the rudeness of some of these forum members. It's nice to have a classy person like you participating on these forums, there aren't enough of them.

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There is no need for you to apologize for people, I posted on this forum with the understanding that I will not please everyone. As long as most of the people respond well to me, I can shut out the others no problem.

I'm just hoping one day they sit down at a table with me and experience one of my rushes.... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[thedarknight]

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Jean,

The problem here is that many of these guys are young "online only" players. They have not spent the time that you have playing live poker against real people with real cards.

I have had success playing both online and in cardrooms (Bay Area cardrooms, Bellagio, Commerce) at limits up to 200-400 LHE and 50-100NL. Part of the reason I have had this success is I understand the differences between the two and understand the situations when it is right to play hands like 22 and KJ that at other times might not be right.

As some of these guys gain more experience, they will understand the differences in strategy when playing live and at higher limits and will give you the respect you deserve.

I hope you accept my apology for the rudeness of some of these forum members. It's nice to have a classy person like you participating on these forums, there aren't enough of them.

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so el diablo when is playing 22 for 3 bets cold correct in a live situation?

el d stop stroking my balls seriously stop. it's too much baby!

[Xellos]

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so el diablo when is playing 22 for 3 bets cold correct in a live situation?

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When you have a special feeling that a deuce is going to flop. Haven't you learned anything from this valuable thread?