119's Bubble strategy?? Was this an okay call? - Page 3

Sparta45 · #21 04-06-2006, 11:05 AM

To be honest, whenever I have tried to read about ICM I rarely finish reading. I'm sure it's useful, but it makes my head spin trying to calculate it in those stupid online ICM calculators. Worse though, it seems heavily based on knowing what the EXACT calling ranges of your opponents are and what they're pushing with, and any little change in those numbers changes the total outcome. It seems to me that you really don't know exactly what your opponenents are pushing and calling with, so the quality of the results from the ICM calculator is not very helpful (I'm probably wrong, but that's my opinion based on the admitly little I have read on it). I have never really tried to base my decisions on ICM. Maybe this is a mistake on my behalf.

I've always done very well at the 38's and have only recently jumped to the 119's (where I'm about even, but sample size is too small to mean anything). Maybe I'm a 119 fish [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

tigerite · #22 04-06-2006, 11:06 AM

Sigh, I have nothing more to say. If you're playing the 119s you can damn well for sure afford SNGPT. Why would you jump from the 38's to 119s? That's one hell of a jump, don't you think?

Sparta45 · #23 04-06-2006, 11:08 AM

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I was like you once, after playing limit for a year and reading Harringtons books I started with STT's because I wanted to try tournament poker and didn't want to take up a 4-hour block of time to do it. I thought in terms of "M" and made moves that were suboptimal and more geared to a multi-table tournament. What I did get out of Harrington V2 was the knowledge I had to change gears as the blinds went up, and an idea of when the gear shifts would occur. This was valuable for someone just starting tournament poker coming from a limit ring game background- but not enough to really play STT's very well.

M is a perfectly reasonable concept and Harrington's book will keep you from doing stupid crap raising 3xBB with a 8xBB stack or limping with PP's to try for a set when you have <12BB. This is good. But Harrington's M is middle school. ICM is college. ICM is doing what Harrington calls "Structured Hand Analysis" for all-in situations. The best tool for convienent ICM analysis is SnG Power Tools.

To answer your original question, you should download the demo for SnG power tools and run the tutorials. The one titled 'mind the gap' will give you the answer you are looking for and then you will be able to answer the question 'was this an ok call' for yourself. You'll be suprized how big the gap concept gap gets once you near the bubble.

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Thanks Mike....I found your post really helpful. I've been meaning to get SNGPT for quite awhile. I'll purchase it today. It sounds like this will plug some leaks of mine...

Sparta45 · #24 04-06-2006, 11:19 AM

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Sigh, I have nothing more to say. If you're playing the 119s you can damn well for sure afford SNGPT. Why would you jump from the 38's to 119s? That's one hell of a jump, don't you think?

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Yes, it is one hell of a jump. I actually posted a question about this awhile back. I'm doing it because I like to play the 6 person sng's, but the 38's at Stars are making me mental because they take a full hour to complete. So i wanted to do 6 person turbo's, but the only 6 person turbo's stars has are the 119's....they don't have 55's or 38 turbo's at 6 max.

So I decided to do the 119's. If I drop more than I'm comfortable with I'll have to drop back down to the 38's. To be honest, I'm not saying I'm Greg Raymer (I'm sure I have leaks and I think we have proven that), but I'm pretty confident in my game. I'm comfortable taking a shot at the 119's.

tigerite · #25 04-06-2006, 11:21 AM

And you have the bankroll for it? Honestly, I don't think jumping because of there being not enough SNG's at a level, or because the speed is 'driving you mental' is really a good idea, especially not if it makes you go BUSTO.. but, each to their own..

AliasMrJones · #26 04-06-2006, 11:29 AM

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Based on what you've posted in this thread, I think the answer is almost certainly yes.

Sparta45 · #27 04-06-2006, 11:32 AM

My best guess is that about 60-80% of the forum would tell me I do not have the bankroll for it and 20-40% of the forum would tell me I have the bankroll for it. (I cashed out about 7 grand for "other" things, but if I didn't do that I'd say 100% of the forum would tell me I have the bankroll for it)

However, let's just say that if I drop down below the amt I'm comfortable losing, I'll still have way more than enough buy-ins to return to the 38's and build myself back up. I *might* lose at the 119's, but I won't go "BUSTO". I might even surprise you!!!

Sparta45 · #28 04-06-2006, 11:40 AM

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Based on what you've posted in this thread, I think the answer is almost certainly yes.

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Okay. You try to make a joke around here and just like always the @ss-holes chime in with their opinion and ZERO helpful advice.

I never claimed to be a pro or to make "perfect" decisions at the table. In fact, I even stated I have leaks. But in 18 months I've never had a losing month online and I've had many very successful months.

I think I know more about how good or bad I am than what you think you know from reading 1 post....

AliasMrJones · #29 04-06-2006, 11:59 AM

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Based on what you've posted in this thread, I think the answer is almost certainly yes.

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Okay. You try to make a joke around here and just like always the @ss-holes chime in with their opinion and ZERO helpful advice.

I never claimed to be a pro or to make "perfect" decisions at the table. In fact, I even stated I have leaks. But in 18 months I've never had a losing month online and I've had many very successful months.

I think I know more about how good or bad I am than what you think you know from reading 1 post....

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Well, you had made 10 posts in this thread alone before I said anything so it wasn't from 1 post. And I'm not trying to be a jerk or make fun. ICM is critical to STT success, especially at the higher levels. The fact that you don't know anything about it and haven't even bothered to pay less than one buy-in for software to help you learn says a lot. Then you whip out your e-penis.

What's the biggest downswing you've had?

Sparta45 · #30 04-06-2006, 12:20 PM

I know what ICM is, I'm just FAR from an expert on it. I readily admit ICM is not a strong point of my game. That doesn't mean I don't have other strong points. I will be buying SNGPT today and I'll brush up on that weakness of my game.

I wasn't whipping out my e-penis. I come to this board to improve my game and to help other people improve if they wish to have rational discussions. And I tire of people who choose to insult people and call them morons.

At any rate, with that behind us, to answer your question.....the biggest downswing I've had I believe was about 9 buy-ins or so.....over the course of about 1000 sng's.