KK against aggression

buhler26 · #1 03-24-2006, 04:06 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB
Main Pot: 20 BB, between MP3 and Hero.

Nick Royale · #2 03-24-2006, 04:12 PM

I think you should cut your hand where MP bets the river, seeing his 3-bet will definately colour the responses.

When SB checks the river I think there's a big risk he's not calling 2 bets back to him (sure, he might not even call 1 if he's on a fd). However, after the flop getting capped and MP leads into you I don't think you're ahead enough with just a pair to raise profitably. Also we would like an overcall. Easy call imo.

Buck_65 · #3 03-24-2006, 04:41 PM

Raise the turn and call down if you get 3-bet.

Nick Royale · #4 03-24-2006, 04:43 PM

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Raise the turn and call down if you get 3-bet.

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That's too aggressive.

/Nick R - Not afraid of giving weak advice

Buck_65 · #5 03-24-2006, 04:47 PM

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Raise the turn and call down if you get 3-bet.

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That's too aggressive.

/Nick R - Not afraid of giving weak advice

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Our styles differ greatly apparently, because this is a standard turn raise for me. Probably because everyone's read is that I'm a fishy LAGtard who somehow keeps getting lucky every hand...Postflop will look different for different players here and can still be correct. The more I learn about this game, the more I realize how much the opposition's perception of you and your play style play roles in making a decision like this.

Edit: OOPS I could swear I was in small stakes short-handed this whole time, my bad I'll be more careful in the future. I still feel the turn is close for full ring, but I totally understand the calldown. At 6max you'd need to raise turn IMO.

DPaul · #6 03-24-2006, 04:49 PM

I think you are probably up against a hand that has you beat. When you get capped on the flop, I would be thinking about 2pair or trips although the villan could have a drawing hand. Afterall he is the SB. I think you go into call down mode after the flop.

pocketjacks · #7 03-24-2006, 04:57 PM

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I think you are probably up against a hand that has you beat. When you get capped on the flop, I would be thinking about 2pair or trips although the villan could have a drawing hand. Afterall he is the SB. I think you go into call down mode after the flop.

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I like this line!

Am I weak tight??

lozen · #8 03-24-2006, 05:43 PM

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I think you are probably up against a hand that has you beat. When you get capped on the flop, I would be thinking about 2pair or trips although the villan could have a drawing hand. Afterall he is the SB. I think you go into call down mode after the flop.

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I like it too Weak Line forms Behind Pocketjacks

I like this line!

Am I weak tight??

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Jake (The Snake) · #9 03-25-2006, 05:17 PM

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That's too aggressive.

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What hands are you worried about Nick? I really doubt villain would play a set like this. I'm expecting just a pair here most of the time. Sometimes a set, flush draw, or straight draw. I defenetely think there is an argument for raising the turn for value.

Nick Royale · #10 03-25-2006, 06:01 PM

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That's too aggressive.

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What hands are you worried about Nick? I really doubt villain would play a set like this. I'm expecting just a pair here most of the time. Sometimes a set, flush draw, or straight draw. I defenetely think there is an argument for raising the turn for value.

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I agree, this check/raise looks like a weak hand trying to clear the field and hope we're on overs. But how often will this weak hand (probably a mid PP) cap the flop when we're telling him we have a big pair? I'm not sure. And I don't think all 2/4 players realise bet/3-betting is the best thing to do. I think many players check/raise the flop when they flop a set here just because they flopped a set and they know we raised preflop.

Still I think the quite suspect lines he's taken justfies a turn raise. Especially since it's one extra player in the pot. HU I probably just call down.

Good points!