Anyone else hate limit?

[leehrat]

am i the only one who can't stand the variance of limit poker? i feel like an idiot right now. i'm playing 5/10 sh @ party to try to clear this stupid acceler8tor bonus and the variance is just driving me nuts. i usually play strictly no limit and LOVE it because the variance is so small in comparison. at least when i get sucked out on in no-limit i can punish the guy with atrocious pot odds if he wants to hit his 2-outer. here at limit there's almost nothing you can do.

i'm running back to nl, bonus be damned. does anyone else feel this way about limit?

[Toonces]

No. Limit has far more variance than NL. What else do you call it when you call it when you have 100 BB on AK vs. TT?

[einbert]

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No. Limit has far more variance than NL. What else do you call it when you call it when you have 100 BB on AK vs. TT?

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I honestly cannot understand a single sentence of this post.

[sandsmarc]

It's a different set of skills at limit. A suckout or 2 along the way is just part of normal poker operations. Once you really know what you are doing, you are nearly always acting with positive expectation. The money rolls in nice and steady. NL players just get frustrated that they can't push anyone around with their stacks. Again, different skills make a good NL player.

It's all poker though. A really good player excels at both limit AND big bet poker.

In the long run, NL cash games will die out. The fish lose way too fast. Right now there are plenty of new fish to take their place. So it's the golden age right now.

Ultimately you will have to be good at limit poker to survive. Better develop those skills soon.

[Ariose]

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The money rolls in nice and steady.

In the long run, NL cash games will die out.

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Are you just repeating stuff you've heard elsewhere?

The money rolls in nice and steady at limit? rofl.

[sandsmarc]

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The money rolls in nice and steady.

In the long run, NL cash games will die out.

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Are you just repeating stuff you've heard elsewhere?

The money rolls in nice and steady at limit? rofl.

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No I'm stating my own expeience having played limit for over 25 years. There is an art to playing limit. If you are very good, which I am, the money does flow in on a consistent basis. If that has not happened for you, you're just not a good limit player.

I also happen to be a very good NL player also. So I know the skills for each are very different. NL is actually quite a bit easier. It's all about reads, the math is usually trivial. I'm very sensitive and able to read people well. In limit, it's more math and discipline. It's pretty straightforward to always be putting in your money with the best of it. But you do have to be really disciplined. It's extremely easy to get out of line and lose your small edge.

It is not an accident that NL cash games were unheard of in this country prior to the recent fad, probably started by the notoriety of the WSOP and the movie Rounders. NL games highly favor skilled players, short or long term. The fish lose quickly and often violently. The games dry up. This WILL happen in due course. Limit poker offers more temporary protection for a fish because he can play low enough to sustain long term small losses that are never ruinous.

I would say that anyone who hates limit is probably not a very good poker player and probably almost always a lifetime loser.

The golden age of NL poker is a temporary state. Enjoy it while it lasts. I know I will. The NL games in Atlantic City are very sweet right now. The limit games are also soft as the steady stream of NL players who get crushed seek "shelter" in the illusory safety of limit poker.

It's just a damn good time to be a poker player these days.

[bernie]

Nice post Marc.

b

[Banks2334]

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It is not an accident that NL cash games were unheard of in this country prior to the recent fad, probably started by the notoriety of the WSOP and the movie Rounders. NL games highly favor skilled players, short or long term. The fish lose quickly and often violently. The games dry up. This WILL happen in due course. Limit poker offers more temporary protection for a fish because he can play low enough to sustain long term small losses that are never ruinous.


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The games won't dry up due to the capped buy-in games and TV.

[captZEEbo]

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No I'm stating my own expeience having played limit for over 25 years. There is an art to playing limit. If you are very good, which I am, the money does flow in on a consistent basis. If that has not happened for you, you're just not a good limit player.

I also happen to be a very good NL player also. So I know the skills for each are very different. NL is actually quite a bit easier. It's all about reads, the math is usually trivial. I'm very sensitive and able to read people well. In limit, it's more math and discipline. It's pretty straightforward to always be putting in your money with the best of it. But you do have to be really disciplined. It's extremely easy to get out of line and lose your small edge.

It is not an accident that NL cash games were unheard of in this country prior to the recent fad, probably started by the notoriety of the WSOP and the movie Rounders. NL games highly favor skilled players, short or long term. The fish lose quickly and often violently. The games dry up. This WILL happen in due course. Limit poker offers more temporary protection for a fish because he can play low enough to sustain long term small losses that are never ruinous.

I would say that anyone who hates limit is probably not a very good poker player and probably almost always a lifetime loser.

The golden age of NL poker is a temporary state. Enjoy it while it lasts. I know I will. The NL games in Atlantic City are very sweet right now. The limit games are also soft as the steady stream of NL players who get crushed seek "shelter" in the illusory safety of limit poker.

It's just a damn good time to be a poker player these days.

[/ QUOTE ]you are silly. First off, people are referring to the fact that much less % of the time you win in limit than no limit. When I used to play limit, I'd only win slightly more than I lose; now when I play no-limit, 5 losing days in the month is rare for me. The math in no limit is not trivial, I don't really know why you think that. People make math errors frequently and I laugh at them. I don't think no limit games will "dry up" in due time; haven't they been around since the 70s or earlier? Maybe I'm just being naive.

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I would say that anyone who hates limit is probably not a very good poker player and probably almost always a lifetime loser.


[/ QUOTE ] WTF??!??!?!? Let me clue you in. Limit poker is boring. Limit poker can be won at almost all levels with a preflop hand chart. I would HATE to have to grind out limit all day long, but playing no limit is always fun b/c there are no rules for how to win. Calling someone a lifetime poker loser b/c someone doesn't like limit is the dumbest thing I've ever heard <font color="white">in this thread</font>

[spino1i]

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No I'm stating my own expeience having played limit for over 25 years. There is an art to playing limit. If you are very good, which I am, the money does flow in on a consistent basis. If that has not happened for you, you're just not a good limit player.

I also happen to be a very good NL player also. So I know the skills for each are very different. NL is actually quite a bit easier. It's all about reads, the math is usually trivial. I'm very sensitive and able to read people well. In limit, it's more math and discipline. It's pretty straightforward to always be putting in your money with the best of it. But you do have to be really disciplined. It's extremely easy to get out of line and lose your small edge.

It is not an accident that NL cash games were unheard of in this country prior to the recent fad, probably started by the notoriety of the WSOP and the movie Rounders. NL games highly favor skilled players, short or long term. The fish lose quickly and often violently. The games dry up. This WILL happen in due course. Limit poker offers more temporary protection for a fish because he can play low enough to sustain long term small losses that are never ruinous.

I would say that anyone who hates limit is probably not a very good poker player and probably almost always a lifetime loser.

The golden age of NL poker is a temporary state. Enjoy it while it lasts. I know I will. The NL games in Atlantic City are very sweet right now. The limit games are also soft as the steady stream of NL players who get crushed seek "shelter" in the illusory safety of limit poker.

It's just a damn good time to be a poker player these days.

[/ QUOTE ]you are silly. First off, people are referring to the fact that much less % of the time you win in limit than no limit. When I used to play limit, I'd only win slightly more than I lose; now when I play no-limit, 5 losing days in the month is rare for me. The math in no limit is not trivial, I don't really know why you think that. People make math errors frequently and I laugh at them. I don't think no limit games will "dry up" in due time; haven't they been around since the 70s or earlier? Maybe I'm just being naive.

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I would say that anyone who hates limit is probably not a very good poker player and probably almost always a lifetime loser.


[/ QUOTE ] WTF??!??!?!? Let me clue you in. Limit poker is boring. Limit poker can be won at almost all levels with a preflop hand chart. I would HATE to have to grind out limit all day long, but playing no limit is always fun b/c there are no rules for how to win. Calling someone a lifetime poker loser b/c someone doesn't like limit is the dumbest thing I've ever heard <font color="white">in this thread</font>

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Zeebo, you are my hero. Nice post.