JJ +EV Push?

[Robbie01]

$10 NLH tourney on stars, i am top 20 in chips early on.

i think im good here only because both villains seem like donks [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] am i really up against a set here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t2620)
CO (t2805)
Button (t2830)
SB (t2670)
Hero (t6595)
UTG (t1390)
UTG+1 (t2130)
MP1 (t3390)
MP2 (t2550)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t30, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, MP2 calls t120, Button calls t120, SB folds.

Flop: (t480) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, MP2 calls t300, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t720</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t6445</font>

[themobfather]

this is fine

[kniper]

no, save the 420 and fold. def a set. for sure. no doubt about it.

[Robbie01]

Close niper he had 9 10 suited

[themobfather]

see I told you it was fine

[Jamma]

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see I told you it was fine

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That's result oriented.. you could very well be looking at the best case scenario.

Even so, JJ is 50/50 against 9dTd and that means the villain cant make a mistake getting his chips in here. However, if you had known he had an OESFD, your right move would be to see the turn before putting more chips in the middle.

[Jamma]

donk or not, button offers you 4.5-1 odds - he's thinks he has the best hand. This after he saw you making a good size value bet and a call after that. Weak players very frequently limp but still call a big raise with PPs or suited connectors - more often than not you'll be up against a set, two pair or possibly just a flush and/or str draw

Here when the action is back to you, MP2 is active behind you.. He already called you so he has to have some kind of hand, could be anything from Axd to a set.

so all in all, with the combined strength they have showed, most of the time either of them is going to call you with a better hand.


However if they hadn't limp-called preflop, I'd like the push more - That would add some second best hands in their range they might willing to stack off with, like 99 and TT