AA UTG beat by J3o (10x Raise by J3 Preflop)

[akashra]

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This is from the the last Live Tourney I played in (last saturady), where I was knocked out with AA in 2nd level. Early. Cheap 30$ buy-in 100 person NL Tourney that I had finished fourth in the last time I played.. Blinds Raise quick after the first hour.. To where they are ridiculous and taking whole stacks at the final table about an hour and a half later. Quick Tourney. Designed to maximize casino profit and open the tables back up for ring games quick I'd guess..

2nd level of tourney. Approx 6k Starting chips (somewhat odd amount..)

I played two hands so far.. One w/pocket 9's 4x from Button with one MP Limper -- He bet large on a 3 big card (10 +) flop and I folded.. and the other I limped in late w/suited connectors and folded flop when I missed.

My stack is currently slightly over 5k.. I'd say 5.1k

Blinds are 50/100

UTG: Hero: AA (suits: forgotten at this point)
(Here I think about it for a bit... and the last 3-4 hands there has been 1-2 raises preflop.. I don't wanna scare a lot out on a decent bet here assuming i'll get at least one raise that i can reraise or maximize +EV..)

Hero (I) limp.

UTG + 1 Limps (900 Chips left)( Loose Fish.. Playing/Raising decent hands preflop so far( except for this..) but seems to be unable to let go of hands and feels he must protect his hand regardless of how bad it misses the flop and of how many players are in...)

Folds around to.. Cut Off who limps..

Button Folds ( F!ck i think.. that didn't work..)

SB Raises 10x BB (Niice... )

BB Folds..

I Think for a moment and just call.. (This player has been very loose, Fish, Horrid.. And is also the current chipleader, and just watched him river an inside draw after calling an almost pot sized bet with nothing but the draw on the turn and an overcard two hands ago..I figure with how he plays, i'll trap him into betting the flop and push then.. )

UTG + 1: calls (and is all-in)

Folded around ...

Flop comes out Jh 3h 5d

SB bets out 100 into the 3k pot w/hand slightly shaking... (I sometimes do this when I bluff myself after playing NL live after not playing for awhile live... although I know it's commonly (caro) referred to as a sign of strength.. and the 100 bet into 3k pot???)

..Anyways.. I wasn't having it and bet out raised 900 more for 1k total.. he pushed all in.. I called.

He shows J3o .. f!ck me.

UTG +1 shows K9o (donkey..)

I don't improve...

Thoughts?

I checked for Poll.. But unsure of how to use it. Primarily I was wondering would you raise w/the AA here or play it as I did, limping ? .. After you saw SB Bet 1000 in preflop.. what would you do ? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[mlagoo]

if youre going to limp, you should be limping with the intention of raising. aa is a good hand. build a pot with it. once he raises 10xBB, dont be greedy. stick all your chips in.

good players make a lot of money off of people who decide to get "tricky" with aces preflop only to be unable to get away from them after the flop.

[h20man65]

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if youre going to limp, you should be limping with the intention of raising. aa is a good hand. build a pot with it. once he raises 10xBB, dont be greedy. stick all your chips in.

good players make a lot of money off of people who decide to get "tricky" with aces preflop only to be unable to get away from them after the flop.

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I cnnot agree with this enough. You slit your own throat. MOVE IT IN. This is exactly what you wanted to happen, play back at you preflop. Deer in the headlights, run him down!

[stevepa]

If sb will almost always put out a decent bet on the flop, let him do it. Pushing almost certainly gets him to fold. If he'd raised less, then I'd agree you should probably reraise, but here it'll probably get heads up anyways. Call preflop, push the flop if he puts out a reasonable bet. With his 100 bet, I probably just play it like you did.

As for this:
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good players make a lot of money off of people who decide to get "tricky" with aces preflop only to be unable to get away from them after the flop.

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This is true, except for when the player puts in a fifth of his stack preflop. Good players make money off of people who put in 1/50th of their stack preflop with AA and then go broke on the flop regardless. Here, a good player makes far more by "getting tricky" and letting his opponent fire on the flop as well.

Steve

[Slow Play Ray]

IF you're going to limp w/ AA, you should only be doing it with the intent of re-raising. Don't get greedy.

[akashra]

..This was my original intent until I saw the amount he raised too, and made the assumption from past plays he had made - that'd he fairly heavily fight for the pot thereafter.. allowing me to push all in (after the assumed strong bet from him) on the flop..

The preflop raise was for 1/5th of my stack.. and blinds go up FAST.

[Beachman42]

Even your reads say to make a good sized raise pf. You do not want several donks to see a cheap flop. Maybe the SB would have come over the top and closed out the betting back to you. Finally, you wanted a raise to re-raise and then you didn't. I really think you misplayed AA here pretty badly.

[Goodie54]

Just to re-interate what the other two posters said, RE-RAISE. The only reason to limp is to get the chance to re-raise. Especially with the shorty behind you who's obviously willing to put his chips in without much. Re-raise and go heads up with the shorty.

The pot is plenty big for you to take it down right now.

Peace

Goodie

[Chicago Kid]

Once the big raise came preflop, you should have gotten all-in. As strong as AA is, you don't want to play against multiple hands with it, if you can avoid it.

[Black Aces 518]

Once the 10xBB raise happened, you should have pushed. If you didn't want to do that, to tempt Mr. K9 to call, whatever. Then when your opp bets 100 into the 3000 pot, your raise to 1000 is too small. He's getting 4.5-1 on his money, and you are giving him the correct odds to outdraw you in a lot of scenarios. Just push it in.