AK unimproved, whats your play?

SlamminP · #1 08-26-2006, 08:09 AM

Villain is 26/3.6/0.86 after 80 hands

I felt villain had overcards and was trying to push me off my overcards. I stuck to this read throughout the hand and didn't consider any other options. In hindsight, If I had glanced at his aggression factor I probably would have folded. What's your play in this situation?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, K

. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 5

, 5

, 6

(3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 8

(2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) T

(2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Allday Everyday · #2 08-26-2006, 08:21 AM

Yeah, I agree with your thoughts. I'd probably fold the turn against a guy with this AF. Further reads on him would help I guess. What is the nature of his previous aggression? But the pot isn't even really big. I'd drop it without a second thought.

HoneyBadger · #3 08-26-2006, 09:22 AM

Flop bet good, nice board. Not many draws, low pair helps your overcards, they check to you. Try and pick it up, you might have the best hand also.

Flop c/r call, good. You get ~1:10, I'd say your overcards are worth about 4 outs. So you can call. Also for your image this call is good; they cna't run over you with a flop c/r.

Turn, you didn't improve, no odds on a draw. You must think you are still behind and drawing (dead?) Fold.

(it would be more difficult if he had some 3.0 aggression. but I doubt this player is making a move on you. Actually his flop cr usually means a 5, but I wouldn't take it that far yet.)

phosix · #4 08-26-2006, 11:13 AM

i dont know. i kinda like the call down. i try that move on people who will fold uip through the river all the time on that board. if they dont reraise the turn i know that they dont have a pp higher than the board (so probably have high cards)and bet the river with great success.

SlamminP · #5 08-26-2006, 12:37 PM

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i dont know. i kinda like the call down. i try that move on people who will fold uip through the river all the time on that board. if they dont reraise the turn i know that they dont have a pp higher than the board (so probably have high cards)and bet the river with great success.

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Out of the times you get called on the river doing this, you are often beat by a pocket pair. They fear a 5 and go into call down mode. Making this play does seem plausible though, I'm just wondering if you're up against overcards that will fold the river UI often enough to make it +EV. I guess a [censored]load of experience is needed to answer this question. (or any of you math heads feel free to calculate)

Webster · #6 08-26-2006, 12:49 PM

I'm good with calling down here. For one thing those PT stats are meaningless with 80 hands. TheONLY thing you know is he has a clue how to play and is a weak player. AF numbers are meaningless.

I would guess he has A?o and is trying to steal your pot. If he has pocket pairs - he is a very weak player and played it so wrong it's silly.

RatFink · #7 08-26-2006, 02:22 PM

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i dont know. i kinda like the call down. i try that move on people ...

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you probably have an aggression factor higher than 0.6.

LimpyMcGee · #8 08-26-2006, 05:18 PM

This is probably the correct play. I don't know how this hand has generated so much debate. His aggression factor means a lot in this situation. He might make this play with an overpair to the board, but I think calling the turn and river are both mistakes.

phosix · #9 08-26-2006, 07:54 PM

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This is probably the correct play. I don't know how this hand has generated so much debate. His aggression factor means a lot in this situation. He might make this play with an overpair to the board, but I think calling the turn and river are both mistakes.

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first of all he could be trying to buy outs. or buy the ace high position. secondly you cant count on that stupid track unless you watch someone play for hours.
i know ive had and hour or two here or there where i did not get many hands and all of them were drawing omg now you got a read on me as a passive LOL.

"some plays have less of a - expectation than others"

bernie · #10 08-26-2006, 08:17 PM

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i know ive had and hour or two here or there where i did not get many hands and all of them were drawing omg now you got a read on me as a passive LOL.

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If you watch a table for an hour or 2, you can tell pretty well who is passive and who is aggressive. Depending on how you played those draws situationally, they may have been right.

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