10/20 - AQ- Isolating maniac with A high

[Heisenb3rg]

PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q.
<font color="green">1 fold</font>, <font color="red">MP raises</font>, <font color="green">2 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 4, T, 4 <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="red">MP raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, MP calls.

River: (11.50 BB) K <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>...



Table has a very high pot size and VPIP before I sat down.
A fellow 2+2er was at the table and said "lol 400 buyin isn't enough to for this table"

I've only been at the table for about 4 hands but I've seen MP in three of them ,and two times he did some really crazy stuff. I would say kind of inbetween a manaiac and a LAGTARD style.

No notes on the other player other than this is a "crazy table" so perhaps the other player is also a maniac.

Wanted to fold out another potential ace high. Too risky?

I considered checking the river, but decided to take a stab at folding out a pocket pair or another ace high.
I guess even the possibility that the opponent will call with air.

[SpaceAce]

I usually find that these moves just aren't worth making. I especially don't like trying to squeeze out the big blind when we (apparently) know absolutely nothing about him. After he calls a three-bet pre-flop and two bets on the flop, I don't feel very confident that I can get rid of him on the turn. As for the maniac, I think you ran into a 66 that isn't going anywhere. I think the parlay of both having the maniac beaten and folding out a better/equal hand from the big blind is a little far-fetched.

I usually save this sort of thing for when I am really familiar with at least one of the players.

Given everything else, you're not folding the river so I think the river bet is good unless you believe the nut will auto-bluff when you check.

SpaceAce

[El_Hombre_Grande]

My two cents: this is missplayed. And the reason I say this is this type of move is my biggest leak. The reason its missplayed IMHO is that you you don't have the necessary info to have any real actual read. OK so you think you've found a maniac. Maybe two. And so you're ready to mix it up with your quality holdings, maybe even attempt an iso from the SB. But you don't have enough info to get this far out on a limb. Some maniacs fold once you put the screws to them; some think 33 is the nuts; and worse of all, they sometimes hit the flop or even have a real hand. Just as often as you do. The real issue here is what is the likelihood that this non ABC player is going to follow your script. And that my friend, is 0%. So watch him a little-- I betcha he has stock operational nut job moves. Once you sort of understand his range and what a bet ot raise mean, on the river or turn, you can exploit the situation. Until then, you are playing a game by his rules that you don't understand. And I don't mean to be critical, it just sounds that way because these are just the sort of hands that I go back and review and say wtf in my own game.

[Neko]

I don't understand your river bet once you get it HU versus the maniac? He folds a better hand never and may fire off a desperation bluff if you check it to him.

[HOWMANY]

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I don't understand your river bet once you get it HU versus the maniac? He folds a better hand never and may fire off a desperation bluff if you check it to him.

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Yeah, I think I hate the river even worse than the turn.

[vmacosta]

This might work against somebody with PT who sees your stats as tight. But even then its prob spew.

[MikeyObviously]

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This might work against somebody with PT who sees your stats as tight. But even then its prob spew.

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I have him at 29/20...

[vmacosta]

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This might work against somebody with PT who sees your stats as tight. But even then its prob spew.

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I have him at 29/20...

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Me too (28/20 actually).

It was a hypothetical. Don't know if anybody who would see that as tight even has PT.

[PokerBob]

river bet=dumb.