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Well, this doesn't change the fact that McGwire's a Hall of Fame caliber 1B. But Frank Thomas was much better and no one cares - why? Frank hits a lot of doubles. Doubles aren't sexy.

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You are wrong.

It's amazing all of the stuff that gets said in these threads when looking up stats is easy and takes all of 20 seconds.

The only thing Frank Thomas did much better than McGwire is hit for average. Their career OPS are nearly identical: .982 and .997.

I also don't see how a guy with a career OPS near 1.000 can be overrated.

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Frank Thomas has 900 more PA, a more OBP heavy OPS, and was, funnily enough, a lot more healthy than McGwire was. McGwire got 600+ PA only 5 times in his career; Frank 10.

He also had a much higher peak (Frank's is one of the best ever) and he's still kicking ass (check out that .250/.372/.736 line).

Thomas will likely end up with 25% more PA at around the same caliber hitting or better, yet McGwire will go in on the first ballot and Thomas will probably wait around and sneak in on a weak ballot.

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Don't be foolish, Jack.

Frank Thomas is a first ballot lock for the Hall.

And McGwire shouldn't even be considered for the Hall, with his .262 average and roided up homer count.

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For once, I completely agree with dead.