[moorobot]

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According to them, legitimacy can have no meaning once ONE person rejects their governance as "illegitimate...but I think your argument, keeping in mind their moral universe, fails.

[/ QUOTE ] This is irrelevant, as all political systems will fail by the standards of there moral universe. I realize, however, that I'm not going to persuade them.


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perhaps there is a better trade-off between legitimacy and purely materialistic considerations (being wealthier) because an ideal designer would be willing to make more trade-offs between the former in favor of the latter, from our reactions to theocratic and dictatorial examples around the world.

[/ QUOTE ] I'll try to discuss this later, but basically I agree with this type of reasoning (which is one of the reasons I disagree so strongly with praxelogy, as it turns out).