[TheEngineer]

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come on, i don't believe that is true at all. I thought Howard Lederrer essentially stopped playing poker. I have never seen him on Fulltilt, and would surmise that there is very little chance that he made greater than $1,000 from online poker this past year. Combine this with his $millions from Tiltware, and online poker is essentially nothing. Chris Ferguson is doing his "challenge," which is essentially just short-stacking and hit-and-running, but his income from online poker is nothing compared to Tiltware. Greg Raymer I know less about because I don't play much on PokerStars, but considering he has a 7-figure deal from PokerStars, makes money from other ventures, and plays in bigger NL games that I don't think he's a long-term winner in, I'm assuming his online poker income is neglible as well. So all of these people are profiting from online poker, not through it.

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I've not researched their income sources, so you're well ahead of me there. I was going by the recent Annie Duke interview, where she stated that a number of pros derive a good percentage of their income from online poker.

I have met Howard Lederer, and I can tell you he's a great advocate for online poker. Additionally, he and Skallagrim have collaborated on efforts to prove that poker is a game of skill. I briefly met Chris Ferguson at the Fly-In. He did attend it and he did advocate for our rights to various politicians.

A neat story there -- I was walking thorugh the halls of Congress with Chris Ferguson, Howard Lederer, Andy Bloch and a couple of other pros. It looked like the beginning of Poker After Dark. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Anyway, we walked past a congressman who recognized Ferguson. The congressman introduced himself and asked about our meetings. We didn't have him on our schedule, but he told us he could spare 20 minutes for us and he invited us in for an improptu meeting, right there on the spot.

I've never met Greg Raymer, but I understand that he's a great proponent of our rights as well.

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Okay, still vague and representing of a large group, but this sounds pretty good.

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I was answering a general question. I'll answer any specific questions you have.

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I think more of a reason that you don't get flooded with requests and emails by members, is that most of them don't really care. I'm making another assumption here, but can you honestly tell me that greater than 50% of the PPA's members signed up with no promotion and reason to do so? So not by signing up for a PokerStars or Fulltilt freeroll, or to get a deposit bonus at Fulltilt? Because when I look at that 800,000+ members, and remember all the incentives to join, I feel like this number is extremely misleading as a very large percentage joined for a few dollars in free equity.

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A lot of organziations have members of varying involvement. For example, NRA cannot get all 4 million of its members to write to Congress on a moment's notice. Gun shops give away memberships with purchases of new guns. Likewise, the freerolls enable PPA to sign up like-minded people.

Rich Muny
Member, PPA Board of Directors