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Old 03-21-2006, 02:57 AM
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Raising here is very, very bad. There is no options here besides calling, it's as standard as standard gets, and you should never deviate from it.

For those saying this is a good spot to raise with any two, think again. This is a spot where you will raise with VERY few hands, pretty much not a single one except A8/A3, and not those ones all the time either. With sets you'll raise turn when he leads into you instead, since, for example, a lot of the time a flushdraw or a straightdraw has appeared, and your raise can be a draw as well, as opposed to raising this flop which pretty much narrows your hand into two. Or perhaps he's leading into you with an 8 or A(bad), you have 33, and an 8/A hits turn. Now you're probably gonna stack this player.

So, a raise with any two is very bad here since you'll either be on air or have a (badly played) monster. Either way, he's folding all worse hands than yours, and calling with all better. Then, how are you gonna proceed? Sure, you might say that "if I can always get people to fold weak aces etc when raising such a dry flop with any two since it narrows my hand into a monster, isn't that good?" Sure, until someone picks up on it and realizes you'll have one of those hands very rarely, and goes on 3-bet pushing you with air which you can never call. Or just the fact that when they do call you'll be in a large pot on turn with a weak hand and/or air.

Noop, raising here sucks, it's an autocall, nothing more to it.

Furthermore, someone said that if someone check/calls you on this flop and bets into you on a brick all of a sudden you should definately raise..I cannot disagree more. With that action, e.g check, check, you bet 100, first guy calls, turn is a deuce completing the rainbow and the guy bets 250ish into you, I'm probably just folding, I except him to fire river on any card any way and I can't call that. Either that or I'm calling and folding river, but I don't really like that too much either since he will most likely fire river making you fold. RAISING a turn like that is grouse. In this case it's a real brick, but if it came down with a flushdraw on turn or something, you'll have to call, since a very viable line with, say, for example an 78 suited would be call c/c flop and bet if turn brings the guy a flushdraw as well.
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