[NHFunkii]

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I'm just trying to understand the fundamental principle here.

For a satallite to actually end, SOMEONE will have to make a call of a short stack's push at some point. I guess basically what you guys are saying that is that:
1) its too many chips to risk here relative to Hero's stack
2) JJ isn't strong enough to be worth the risk

If Villain only had, say, 3000 left, exactly 1 BB, should Hero limp in as well and hope to check it down?

I've been thinking about playing sats recently for an occasional shot at a big money tournament, but apparently I need to work on my sat bubble math first, and just want to understand this better.

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yes for the sat to end someone will have to kill the shortie. Someone will. Not everyone is going to sit out, and even if they did, you would not be the 30th out, no matter what (unless what I described in my post happened, which is impossible without HEAVY collusion and obviously is not going to be the case). There is absolutely no reason to put chips at risk here, period.

re: txdozerman - I wish I could quantify that as it would be a HUGE edge in satellites, but the best I can do is estimate. Various factors include average stack size, number of people remaining until bubble, your stack size, how the table has been playing (whether big stacks have been getting involved, whether shortish but not shortest stacks have been getting involved, with what, etc)