[TxRedMan]

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10/20 NL
villain is tough and relative tight, a little tricky
hero has been playing LAG
Effective stacks are 7K

2 limps, villain in CO makes it 120, hero calls in BB with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 1 caller

Flop:
A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets 200, villain raises to 800, Hero calls
Turn:
8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Villain bets 1400, Hero raises to 3K, villain goes all in, hero calls

thoughts on all streets appreciated. do you like my line on the turn?

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i wouldn't play the flop or turn like this.

leading $200 into $370 on the flop was intended for what purpose? i ask b/c you flat his 4-bet, which effectively has now simply bloated the pot with you being OOP and puts you at risk of getting blown off a hand that you'll want to take to showdown often. In addition to this, you've now increased the size of the pot which, for a lot of players, means they've put themselves in a spot where they feel priced in regardless and stack off later in the hand, etc, etc.

So why donk the flop if you're not going to re-raise? I dont suggest donking the flop, I would very very rarely ever do it in a spot like this, but if I did i'd intend on getting more money in if I got raised.


So i'd c/c the flop.

As played the turn becomes really hard to play correctly imo. I dont know how much fold equity you have here but I think the only hand you're beating is JsTs, so i'm going to go ahead and say you have little to no fold equity so you must be raising for value b/c you think he's capable of overplaying a hand that you're ahead of...but that doesn't match your description of him at all. If I was in this spot I'd just flat call the turn after that flop action and re-eval the river.


Seems like a classic example of taking a suited connector and kind of butchering it out of position.

Also, against a player like this with stacks of similar sizes, players often over estimate their implied odds. You dont become considered tough and tricky by your opponents in a 10/20 game by getting 300 BB's in on this turn w/ AK.




-Tex

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solid analysis but i think once you check call this flop you pretty much lock in a loss against tt,jj,qq,kk and some weak aces if you dont improve. however i min cr gets these hands to fold a very high % of the time because they start to see themselves playing a very big pot for no reason. the downside to opening the betting again is a bluff re-raise...this happens so infrequently that i think the benefits of getting tt-kk to fold and even some weak aces far outweighs it. the other benefit of the min cr is that on the 98% of the time that your not being bluff re-raised you can safely fold to a set that has you crushed and you dont end up stacking off w/ 2 crappy pair because you have no idea where your at.

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I didn't even consider that when I was thinking about the flop action. It's a very good point, and far far better action than the flop line OP took imo. It would likely keep the pot smaller than in the OP and will occasionally give us a free card.

But please clarify, b/c my whole arguement really centers around not getting pushed off the hand- if we check min-raise (assume he bets about pot, $350, and we raise to $700), we're content with folding this hand if our opponent re-raises to .....? $2500+ (off the top of my head)....?




-Tex