[kenny7]

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Personally, I hate this play either way, read dependent or not. You have ~30BB, why do you 'need' to make a move here? Sure, you're not top 10 stack, but I don't think you have cause to concern that you're going to fold/muck out here. I think there's definitely better spots to try and make a move, even if the UTG has 23.

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Hmmm,unless you are down to nothing,or you have AA,you don't "need" to make a move.However,to accumulate chips you have to take the occasional risk,I'd actually say that this isn't that big of a risk.

Usually when people limp they have weakish hands,so why not try to steal?

You also say wait for a better spot. First of all,you never know if or when a better spot will come along,but let's disregard that for now.

I assume that you are against this bc of the weak hand Ham is doing it with. What is your range then for raising in this situation?

I mentioned accumulating chips. Unfortunately good cards aren't always forthcoming,so you have to work with what you've got. If you fold here,then hang around for a couple of orbits,you won't have enough chips left to make a move,to try to make something happen. Any raise will commit you to the pot,ie you need a good hand. Unfortunately,the good hand isn't coming.

With the stack here,OP can(and will I'm sure) fold if he is rr and still have plenty left. The key here is the stacksize,and I guess that's where we look at things differently. You believe that he should wait for a better hand,I believe that he should take opportunities like this to increase his stack and put himself in a situation where he's got enough chips to be able to win the tourney.

The more I look at it,the more I think this is a good move.