[MrFeelNothin]

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just a note: Ty's last recruiting class was #32
quit assigning the blame to Ty for Charlie's #40 recruting class



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OK, w/respect to the current senior class (the one you say is #32), it consisted of 17 players only 3 of which are still around and making an impact (Lambert, Brown and Crum). Four guys are on the team but only have roles on the scout team (Jabbie, Ferrine, Vernaglia, Bragg). TEN guys have left the team completely.

7 seniors. What other school in D1 that has such a small senior class?

Did the 2005 class suffer a bit because Weis stayed an extra month in New England? Possibly. But the majority of the responsibility is with Ty. Recruting classes are only finalized in the last month...if you're waiting that long to get anything more than a final one-sie/two-sie player you haven't put in the work you've needed. Right now the Irish have 21 commitments and it's not even November yet (they had 17-18 before the season began, which is where the 2005 class topped out). Assigning Weis the blame for that awful class is like blaming a relief pitcher for an opponent scoring when the starter left the bases loaded.

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That amount of time is still more than enough to make a splash in recruiting
For instance, Ed Orgeron was able to move Ole Miss up to about #25 in that month. Butch Davis was able to come in last year and nab instant producers (real ones, not the inflated ND recruits) that will have UNC better in 4 years than ND. In a month, he brought in Marvin Austin, Greg Little, Richard Mason, Mike Paulus and some others that weren't even on their list.
When the coaching turnover happens, it's time to come in and recruit and hard.

early commits typically suck to have unless they are the huge 5*/4* guys
it's not necessarily a good thing to have so many commits right now
players can and do change their mind--ND had 3 of its top 5 change in the last week and go elsewhere last year IIRC
a large portion of the better players wait until the very end to decide

it's not a relief pitching mode


also, I'm not sure many understand the recruiting 'game.' A player's stock will instantly rise if ND comes in and says they are interested. The recruiting machine overstates ND all the time. So far, it looks like Weis is pretty poor at scouting, so this inflation is absurd right now.

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TY MyTurn, I had a feeling that something like this was going on, but I didn't know enough to put it into words.