[thoman8r]

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I don't like calling down here at all and think its terrible. I also don't like check/raise turn or whatever. Your fold equity has to go up significantly on the turn to make that a better play than getting it in on the flop. You also pot stick him a bit if you take the check/raise turn line.

It's not about keeping hands in you beat. You don't beat enough hands with Top pair second lowest kicker. The flop has to be pushed for equity reasons. Also if you check/call this turn it may be difficult to get paid on a spade river. Especially with the As missing.

With him pushing you around it just makes it double true that you have to push the flop. I think he's folding on the turn/river less often due to that fact.


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The only way raising trying to get it in on this flop is even close to OK is bc we also have a straight draw so we are actually a slight favorite over better aces. Otherwise raising the flop is only going to prevent you from getting more money from underpairs and bluffs. You have zero fe against any hand that beats you and we already have showdown value, why are you wanting to bluff? Take away our straight draw on the flop and just give hero the ace with a flush draw and raising becomes terrible.

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Like a previous poster said, it's not about FE, it's about pot equity. If one of our draws gets there we aren't going to make a dime off an underpair or an ace, so best to get it in now. Sure it'll fold the underpair, but we might get a call and look at the equity we have against the range that might call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

85,140 games 0.005 secs 17,028,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 3c As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.681% 61.40% 04.28% 52275 3646.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 34.319% 30.04% 04.28% 25573 3646.00 { 55-22, AJs+, A5s-A2s, 65s, 43s, AJo+, A5o-A2o, 65o, 43o }

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And if he only calls with 2 pair or better hands, we still have > 50% equity (but there's no way his calling range is this tight)

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

26,730 games 0.005 secs 5,346,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 3c As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.790% 52.38% 01.41% 14002 376.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 46.210% 44.80% 01.41% 11976 376.00 { 44-33, A4s-A3s, 43s, A4o-A3o, 43o }