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Old 10-14-2007, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player

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WA: PP's have 2 outs, Qx has 2 outs, air has no outs.

WB: If he has 5x, QQ or AA, we have 2 outs.

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really no need to include QQ/AA.

there is almost always the potential of being wa/wb on a given board. no need for pot control-- we are wa much more often than wb here, esp against this player. unlikely that he is folding to a 3bet on this flop whether if it is w/ Qx, or clubs; sucks for us if he has like 75s or something.

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You are right about the AA/QQ now that I think about it. Very small parts of his range here probably.

But if he has Qx or a small pp, why risk losing him with a 3b shove? This line from this type of aggro villain is pretty common with a weak pp or Qx and I think he folds most of those hands to our push - AQ, KQ and JQ might call, but probably not many more hands than that, and probably even those hands fold sometimes (villain might be aggro, but I don't think we know that he's a moron).

I think the thing that is confusing me here is that if we put his range at {small PPs, Qx, 5x, air, FD's}, how big is the FD in that range? Surely pretty small.

And shouldn't we consider that villain's equity plunges on the turn with a FD, so that might be a better place to make him pay?


Edit: Actually, AQ and KQ probably aren't that big in his range here either given preflop.