[Todd Terry]

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Hmm, after reading the whole thread i'm not so sure i like the original post now. Seeing as 'the key' basically came down to figuring out his hand range and what he does with the hands in that range, which is, ya know, that thing we do all the time and should hardly be called a key to the problem.

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I still think the correct line of logic is a bit counter intuitive.

Obviously a lot of people are unhappy with this thread.

But looking at the long list of great posters that said call, I still think there is a lot more depth to the hand than most people are giving it credit for.

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Justin:


I, and few others including Daut, said call, but don't put any more money in the pot, because we don't think Villain is betting the river with a hand we can beat. I think AKss is squarely in his range here. The typical live AC tourney player (and being from NJ I've played a lot of tourneys here) loves to slow play. They will slow play top pair, top 2, sets, overpairs, anything. If you ever play a big hand fast, people get this puzzled look on their faces like, "What an idiot, I can't believe he didn't put on an act and slow play that hand." You are ruling out AK because you think Villain would have bet the flop, I think it is unlikely that a villain fitting this profile would, and certainly not impossible or highly unlikely that he would not.

Edit: I completely agree with your preflop and flop lines, which means you may want to rethink them. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]