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plenty of non-shortstacks have tried to beat redbean. he's unassailable unless you actually come armed with facts. you are making yourself look worse and worse with these 'refutations' which are basically hand-waving, and then laughing. they're not arguments at all.

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pretty sure I've won


not handwaving

strong knit of the most relevant items

Bonds tried to gain power and size--he did but plateaued
suddenly, it bursts to the next level at the same time his personal training squad is heavily involved with doping--part of that circle goes to prison
his numbers get a late career power surge that doesn't match the sabermetric expectations

I would value someone's reasoning skills and life abilities as lower if they did not think Bonds was doping



EDIT: I'll also state that nowhere did I allege any violation of MLB rules or whatever. Hell, the chemists are so far ahead of laws and testing that it's pretty laughable.

My case is that Bonds doped. He received some benefit from it. How much? who knows. He probably would've broke the record someday anyway. He is one of, if not the greatest hitter in baseball history. However, he still doped.