[kaz2107]

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i fold the turn. looks to me like we r bluff catchin only even if he is bluffin he prolly has a ton of equity against our hand.

why did u shove the turn?!?!?! wut worse hands r calling u???



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Draws I think. Maybe even KdQx. And yea I'd expect his draws have decent equity vs. me, but I just didn't believe that he would play a hand that already had me like that. (Of course I didn't think he'd play a draw or a worse hand like that either really but this seemed more likely to me than the former.)



[/ QUOTE ] my point was worse case is he has some draw. and this draw has good equity against our hand. my second point was that the river is gonna b rediculously difficult to play on basically n e river. if it is a blank wut r we plannning on doin?? wut if it completes a back door straight?? roughly half of the deck is bad for us and imo the other half makes us still confused and really lost still. so dump the turn and make things simple.

another thing... yea i know... nothing makes but who knows wut he is doin this with. the problem is he is obv sometimes doin weird [censored] like this with hands that we r drawing dead against. and when he is semibluffing or w/e we r still only slightly ahead and r deff gonna b in a spot where even if he doesnt hit he can steal the pot from us on the river if he wants n e wayz. so we r really only slightly ahead if he is capable of pulling a bluff off every once in a while when he misses too.

shoving totally turns our hand into a bluff tho which is why i dont like it at all.

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so basically i like folding because all other options suck dick imo