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I think a good answer to your question is to decide how these two players think about you. Sometimes a small raise will have to be called by a weak straight but other times a large raise might be suspicious enough to be called as well. And that would really depend on whether they see you as a suspicious player.
In other words, your value raise may have looked exactly like a guy with a full house trying to get value out of it. This is especially true if that's how you usually value bet the river.
If these players aren't weak tight, you might want to consider making an abnormal play like a large over bet.
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Good point. Though I didn't consider it at the moment, my image probably detracted from the raise some as I wouldn't normally raise that much with a Q, and I definitely wouldn't do that on a bluff. That leaves a boat or better. Oops. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Then again, these donks would've never thought that far. If they had a Q it would've been an insta-call.
Pants, would you mind reading another post of mine? I'd like to get your opinion.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...&PHPSESSID=