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Old 09-23-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; AsQh on ddd flop; villian check/calls; leads pot on turn

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Here at 2+2 we advocate protecting our blinds, so he should call with any semi-decent hand and probably woulda raised with anything fairly big, given his stats. (if he's following this reasoning). After that I'm not certain what he'd have. Maybe the 7 helped him and he was holding A7s. I can't see him with 77, I can see him with some lower pp, none of which hit, and maybe he was holding 1 diamond with whatever hand he had, but can't call an all in correctly as you are only giving him 1.5:1 pot odds to win with a draw on the river. Even with an OESD and flush draw, it wouldn't be "correct" to call 1.5:1, (say with 55 one being a diamond or something). Also in HU blind steal position situations, I find c-bets are given less respect, and he could just be trying to bluff you out on the turn... poorly at that...

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Your post is pretty much completely wrong:

Calling here OOP with any semi-decent hand is very poor. Most hands should either be 3bet or folded by villian here.

And he's not getting 1.5 to 1. He's getting better than 2 to 1 so calling with a flush draw and OESD would be standard.

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i fold the turn. looks to me like we r bluff catchin only even if he is bluffin he prolly has a ton of equity against our hand.

why did u shove the turn?!?!?! wut worse hands r calling u???

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Draws I think. Maybe even KdQx. And yea I'd expect his draws have decent equity vs. me, but I just didn't believe that he would play a hand that already had me like that. (Of course I didn't think he'd play a draw or a worse hand like that either really but this seemed more likely to me than the former.)


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call turn if you think he doesnt have you beat


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Really? Cause basically the only way he doesn't have me beat is if he has some draw or a piece and a draw.



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Your 2nd question is interesting. Villains line could be a call-cbet and try to take it away line. I can't put him on a hand but maybe 22-33, TT,JJ, whiffed AK,AJ,AT, or complete air although its hard to come up with Air that doesn't have some sort of draw.

Whiffed Ax is the best I can come up with.

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I think so too. It's hard to figure what he played like this IMO. And the fact that he implied this is the way 2+2 would advise his hand to be played really surprised me and makes me really wonder what he actually had.
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