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This brings a question into my mind of how much do you rely on SPR's? It seems as though Qtip hasn't managed to get near his favorable/target SPR so he almost playing the hand like walking on eggshells.

Is this the correct thing to do? Does REM take over at any point? (Take over is perhaps the wrong word). Against the range of the villain here, we're ahead of the vast majority of his range, and can get excellent value out of over pairs TT-QQ, should we not bet because we've got a high SPR?

On one hand, I see exactly what Qtip is saying with dealing with a c/r, puts you in an awful situation, according to SPR you played it right.

On the other hand (without being results orientated) REM says you probably left a hell of a lot of value on the table which may have paid you off.

Seems like they are working 'against' each other (yes, I know the principles aren't meant to be direct comparisons, just two separate tools).

- Confused and trying to learn, don't flame me.

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Peleus:

Well...I see what you're saying, and my answer would be summed up in one type of concept.

You don't think about what his range is but rather what his range is if you get all in. I mean, as sunny has said and others here, if his range is only pps here and he's the type to get in 11 times the pot with an overpair, my line blows something fierce.

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I do understand this concept of what his range is when the money gets in, but are we going to get all-in every pot? I know I am missing something here. Aren't you missing out on value in smaller pots with crappy SPR's? Idk the more this thread goes on the more I learn about the concepts in this book, but this is not clicking.

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Of course we aren't going to get AI on every pot. However, you have to consider that a flop bet sets up an AI on this hand and it also is likely to get raised by a lesser hand. IF we get raised we are very uncomfortable if this player will raise with a lesser hand, but maybe not go AI with it. This leaves us in a spot where we have to risk all of our money to win a third of his (plus the pot).

You have to think about where your value comes from in this hand. Your hand has showdown value and you would like to win a medium-sized pot by getting this player to put in ~2 bets in with a worse PP while not getting pushed out of the pot. There are alternatives to the line taken here.

You could bet the flop with the intention of checking the turn which gives the same net affect. I like checking the flop a little better though as a flop c/r is common on a board like this against an aggressive opponent.