Re: Decision at WPT Gulf Coast Championship FT
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Also, I disagree with your position about verbal action not being binding when somebody is unaware of the true nature of the bet they are facing.
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A lot of people do. Here is the best version of the rule I have seen and includes some examples.
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12. Because the amount of a wager at big-bet poker has such a wide range, a player who has taken action based on a gross misunderstanding of the amount wagered may receive some protection by the decision-maker. A "call" or “raise” may be ruled not binding if it is obvious that the player grossly misunderstood the amount wagered, provided no damage has been caused by that action. Example: Player A bets $300, player B reraises to $1200, and Player C puts $300 into the pot and says, “call.” It is obvious that player C believes the bet to be only $300 and he should be allowed to withdraw his $300 and reconsider his wager. A bettor should not show down a hand until the amount put into the pot for a call seems reasonably correct, or it is obvious that the caller understands the amount wagered. The decision-maker is allowed considerable discretion in ruling on this type of situation. A possible rule-of-thumb is to disallow any claim of not understanding the amount wagered if the caller has put eighty percent or more of that amount into the pot.
Example: On the end, a player puts a $500 chip into the pot and says softly, “Four hundred.” The opponent puts a $100 chip into the pot and says, “Call.” The bettor immediately shows the hand. The dealer says, “He bet four hundred.” The caller says, “Oh, I thought he bet a hundred.” In this case, the recommended ruling normally is that the bettor had an obligation to not show the hand when the amount put into the pot was obviously short, and the “call” can be retracted. Note that the character of each player can be a factor. (Unfortunately, situations can arise at big-bet poker that are not so clear-cut as this.)
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I understand what you are saying, but the rule version you quote is at odds with the way I have seen this type of situation handled almost everywhere. So, I could not say that your favorite version is the most accepted version. I have seen it ruled almost every time a situation such as the above happens that when the person puts 100 into the pot, thinking they are calling, but they were actually facing a bet of 400, they are permitted to fold and forfeit 100, or to call 300 more. I have never seen the TD rule that they can take back all of the 100 and reconsider now that they know the true bet. I have only seen this latter option being offered when they were actively misinformed about the size of the bet they were facing.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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