Re: Somalia
This is hilarious. Where were all of these claims that it's so obvious that laws, property rights, contracts, etc. were all no big deal under anarchy for the last 2 years?
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He argues against government and then talks about 'his property' rights. The fact is without government you would have no property rights, no police force or court system to secure your 'rights'. -- bocablkr, 2+2 statist
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It's a serious risk with AC, there's no cushion, no safety net, there's no rule-of-law because there is no law. -- Dick Tanner, 2+2 statist.
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Yep, you're free to associate with whomever you choose, and I'm free to round up more people and take you as my slave. -- Dick Tanner, would-be 2+2 slave-owner
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I said that under AC there would be no standards whatsoever! And not just accounting standards -- but no standards at all in society . . . Therefore, to summarize my position. In the "AC world", as I understand it, some processes will carry on, based on privately-determined rules and regulations, as they do now. However, social interaction and work itself will be extremely hampered (society itself might collapse), on account of the total lack of laws and regulations governing said society. -- Cyrus, 2+2 statist
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There's no such thing as "rights" in AC. -- natedogg, 2+2 statist
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But under AC there are no laws of the land, no state government ensuring that "self-ownership" is not violated. -- natedogg, 2+2 statist
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AC has been disproven. The natural state of just about everything in the universe starts at and ends with randomness and chaos...anarchy. Copernicus, 2+2 statist
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Repsect for property cannot just arise out of thin air in an anarchist society. Government is necessary to culivate and protect the idea of property rights. -- Steven Bickford, 2+2 statist
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A large society needs some sort of government to enforce basic laws. Otherwise, chaos erupts. -- iggmcfly, 2+2 statist
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Give up police, social security and national defense? . . . it would be a disaster. The nonviolent society ACers imagine, where property rights are respected . . . is a fantasy. AC land would descend into chaos almost before it began. -- LinusKS, 2+2 statist
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And who enforces the contracts when it's broken? Without the backing of absolute power to enforce their will, courts and laws eventually become powerless . . . -- Phil153, 2+2 statist
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. . . I'm saying that the free market will not even be operating because there will be no security. -- ChrisV, 2+2 statist
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Without some centralized authority in place to control dramatic expressions of violence . . . there would be abject chaos and destruction very likely leading to the end of the human race. -- Smasharoo, 2+2 statist
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Also, it seems pretty obvious that this would lead to chaos and violence once again (who would voluntarily go to court and voluntarily accept the ruling if they knew that their lives would be ruined by it??? The fact that the agreed to at the time of the contract does not mean that they will actually do it at this point) . . . -- Propertarian, 2+2 statist
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Exactly-disputes will be decided violently outside of the court!!! -- Propertarian, 2+2 statist
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So how do they decide which court to hear the case in? Sounds like it'll devolve into chaos and violence. -- Dan., 2+2 statist
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These are the results of exactly one combination of search parameters on this topic. So, by all means, continue tripping all over yourselves making out that statists on this forum have never said that law, courts, property, contracts, social order and economic development could not exist in the absense of government. It doesn't really matter if you all aloofly now claim that you really never meant that at all. All that matters is that you've conceded the argument.
Oh, and I just remembered one other:
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The problem that results is that we fail to create common law --- we fail to create reliable/predictible rules to govern our relations. -- elwoodblues, 2+2 statist
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