[kenny7]

I haven't done the math or anything,and if i'm way off,I apologize,but shoving seems pretty bad to me.I accept that there probably are alot of people that will call w KJ etc here,however,although I agree with butcho that it's OK to take a coinflip when 88 calls,we are still behind.Think I'm being seriously longwinded here,but the point I'm getting to is that for everytime we get called by the KJ type hands,won't we run in to a monster? We are after all in MP,lots of people still to act and if either of them has AK or QQ+....not good for us,so a big raise has to be better.