[jkinetic]

DD,

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You guys who are debating the turn call or debating the break are missing the fact that the turn check is where this whole hand went wrong.


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I agree with you on this 100%, I should have at least bet out on the turn and evaluate from there, but I will give you my thinking on this.

This was strictly a live read, on the second draw when I stood pat, he stood pat and then I shot him a glance like you are staying pat and he shot me back this look like, "Yeah muthaphucka I'm staying pat!"

So then I checked and he put in his chips with complete confidence. So now I am thinking, he has a monster or 7 perfect, no way he is snowing, completely out of the question. So I decide to break and the rest is history.

But you are right, I should have put the pressure on him instead of letting him take the lead on the turn, I showed weakness and he read me for weakness which I really wasn't. He probably read me for a smooth 8.

I have only played big draw games at Commerce and they play so fast and loose. So when I was playing in LV, it blew my mind the hands they were checking down and not value betting. For instance, an 86 at Commerce in deuce is check raising the river, in LV the person with a pat 86 is checking the river to the drawers.

So my read on this guy was that he was solid and not f-ing around here.

After the hand, I knew I messed up the turn, but then a player I really respect from a theoretical standpoint told me he thought I played the hand right and that the other player played the hand wrong.

His thinking was that I call a raise from the bb and then draw 2, so pretty obvious I have 3 cards 5 or below, probably pretty darn close to ABC.

So when I 3 bet out of position I am showing some serious strength, not likely I am doing this with an 8, so probably a 7 or better and he can't beat too many 7's. So his final conclusion was that the other player should have been the one to break.