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We can measure levels of solar fluctuation very accurately. Apart from the fact that these fluctuations are fairly small over the short term, they also show that there is no support for the theory that the sun is causing the warming. In fact, it's pretty obvious it's not.
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Obvious? Perhaps you should publish this knowledge. You would win the Nobel prize in science. EASILY! There are numerous varibles which affect the global climate. All these variables must be understood before we can truly know the impact of solar variations. Solar output is just one factor. Hell, a single volcano explosion can cause HUGE changes in the weather with CONSTANT solar output.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Your claim that it is OBVIOUS the sun does not cause recent warmings shows you lack understanding. You do *NOT* have the data to make such claims....... The difference between you and I is when I don't know something...I say so. You are on the other hand pretend that you do know.
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I don't claim to be an expert
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We are in agreement here... But again, climate is such a complicated subject I don't think their is *ONE* expert on this planet. All we can do is take experts subfields and try to fit the puzzle together the best we can. So far the results have been quite disappointing... I would argue that we humans have regressed in our knowledge of global climate...
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but I understand the principles and arguments well enough.
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I don't think so. If you have taken a freshman statistics course, then you will realize you can NOT make such claims about the relationship of solar variation and warming based on a miniscule 30 years of data.... But you are in good company. An army of PhD climatologists make similar claims...
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If the level of insolation and sunspot frequency has been steady or declining, then the hypothesis that the sun is causing the recent warming seems very silly on the face of it, especially when past fluctutations have caused no such effect. Wouldn't you agree?
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No....I don't agree.
I am educated enough not to make such claims on such a tiny amount of data.... However, 99% of climatologists have no qualms about about abandoning basic scientific principles in order to get their research grants. They are like Pavlovian rats pressing buttons to get their food pellets...
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How precisely do you propose that the sun is causing this warming?
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I do not make such claims. I claim that more data is needed. The fact that the ice caps on Mars are melting has added credibility to the hypothesis that the sun COULD be the primary factor in recent global warming.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._southpole.htm
Perhaps you will next claim that belching bovines and cement factories ended the Ice Age 20,000 years ago. Yes? Perhaps the Vikings invented the automobile in 900 AD causing Greenland to be green and allow the growing of crops? Yes? Perhaps you are like most climatologists and ignore the MOST IMPORTANT greenhouse gas......water vapor. yes?
The arrogance of the MCGW (Man-Causes-Global-Warming) Cult is astonishing. The claims they make without having supporting data is mind-boggling to me. There is little difference between the ancient Greeks that invented Zeus, Hera, Apollo, etc... to explain their world and the modern day climatologist who seeks to explain our world. Human nature has not changed in 20,000 years. We are still a hyper-superstitious species... Our new satan is CO2. Our new high priest is Al Gore. Our original sin is taking a bite from the apple of technology. Sickening....
You are unknowingly a disciple of the dark side....I encourage you to join me in the land of light-and-reason. You won't get nifty govt research grants but you will sleep better at night......
Hmmmmm...well perhaps you won't sleep better. Some of these global warming nitwits have aggravated me to the point where it screws up my sleep.... Never mind, if you want to sleep better than don't listen to me..... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]