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If you talk to anyone who knows a lick about PUA, he'll tell you that being alpha is about being self-restrained, controlled, and being a provider.

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selfish egoism, complete disregard for the feelings / opinions of others, willingness to move on at the slightest provocation, etc etc., seem like lousy traits for providers & fathers, which makes a purely evolutionary explanation problematic.

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This little passage is so ridiculously biased, and people have been saying this entire thread that these AREN'T PUA traits. These may be traits of some Pick-Up Artists, but they are not PUA traits. Understand the difference.

You're applying your biased observations to everything PUA, and it's so wrong. ANd when people TELL you it's wrong, you don't listen. So again why start the thread?

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Am I incorrect in nothing that Cardo is including PUA things that people who esteem PUA's healthy side would rather not see included -- but which are there nevertheless?

I mean, not all PUA is positive. Isn't it quite likely and even admitted that it's pretty possible to abuse PUA ideas and that a lot of guys probably do? And are attracted to PUA for negative reasons as well as positive? (In the public mind in general, aren't those negative connotations of PUA far more common than positive ones?)

So it seems to me that when you say Cardo is misunderstanding PUA, it's not correct. He is just maybe mis-emphasizing, discussing the negative without balancing it out enough by bringing in the positive aspects. (Which positive aspects some people may not even be interested in anyway.)

So it seems more fair to say he is taking an unfair slant on PUA than that he doesn't understand it. PUA isn't monolothic, from what people have been saying, but has good and bad both.

That sounds more reasonable than what either you OR cardo were saying. You were like mirror images of each other, each exhibiting opposite prejudices toward a subject that's deeper and better rounded than either prejudice. Alamo's take on things seems far more rounded and developed.