I'd like to make a distinction between what PUA guys say is their GOAL, and what they actually tell you how to do once you've paid for their materials. Two different things imo. Every motivational speaker has the same goals, but the process of achieving them is what makes one a positive step and another a huge waste of money/time.
Also, there's a big difference between some Tyler Durden seminar (gross and manipulative) and this: (
Insightful and Frightenly Amoral )