[Micturition Man]

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This issue is partly complicated by the fact that it's really hard to judge what non-grinders 'incomes' actually are.

For example I think the guy who said there are 20 Finnish players who make over 500k a year is way off.

There may be 20 Finnish players who have had $500k years, or have made $500k so far this year, but that doesn't mean they will have EV's of $500k for the year.

Take KObyTapout. I'm sure that guy was up a million on the year at some point, and I'm sure he thought his annual EV was in the multimillions.

Well reportedly he's broke now. (This is from another Finnish pro.)

Take Till_I_Collapse. I have no idea what his EV is but he could easily have busted had he not run super well at 300/600 NL in matches where he was -EV.

When people play high limits and play with sporadic frequency and mix and match -EV spots with +EV spots, it's pretty much impossible to divine their overall EV.

I can only think of one Finn I am highly confident has an EV of over 500k (Patrik).

I can think of two others who may well have that (Ilari and this other guy I know), but Ilari could just as easily have a -EV for the year (because of playing drunk and playing NL matches where he is -EV.)

That Till_I_Collapse is in roughly the same category as Ilari.

I originally was going to guess an answer to the OP in this thread but decided it was too speculative... one thing is for sure though, there are far far fewer people making 500k a year now than 1-2 years ago.

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BTW I left Lars Luzak out of my post. Have to go see Bourne Ultimatum though.