[chezlaw]

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My point of course is that many woman who choose to have an abortion disingenously use the argument that they have a right to do what they want with their body, even though their real agenda is that the baby does not survive.

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hmmm. I have the right to cut my toenails even if you have some super technology that turns them into babies.

seems to me the only issue is the value of the thing you're sticking in the machine (not what comes out).

chez

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The question is whether you have the right to insist that the toenails be discarded. Also the analogy is flawed because the supertechnology doesn't "turn fetuses into babies". It just keeps from from dying. Using your argument parents should presently have the right to withhold incubators from their premature babies.

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That doesn't follow at all. It just depends on the value of the thing you stick in the machine. Generally folk seem to value premature babies more than discarded toenails. Only when the value of a thing makes it thought of as having rights of its own does its fate cease to be down to the decision of the parents/toenail cutter.

I look forward to the debate about the significant difference between the toenail turning machine and the keeping fetuses alive machine.

chez