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"You must raise KK UTG"?

This is one of those commandments that everyone repeats and no one justifies. A ton of players all say "they'll call your raises at the low buyins" and I'm thinking O RLY? When did these people last play a fivedollar game? Because dude, they don't always. You often find yourself at a table where everyone just folds. It all depends on whether you're raising the first hand or the tenth. If you've folded nine hands and then raise, they notice. The magical days of a table full of donkeys that couldn't wait to bust out are long gone, man.

[/ QUOTE ]Winning the blinds is better than getting stacked because you let some guy in for free with a garbage hand who outflops you.

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Is it?

How often do I get stacked? How often do I get away from my overpair when it's beaten? How often do I raise, get called, and still get stacked?

Your comment makes sense in isolation but in the broader context, I'm not so sure.

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Limping big hands UTG with the intention of re-raising is alright in some cash games, but in a STT I can't image it is ever correct (not a STT expert, though).

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Well, that is exactly what I'm saying. You don't know why it isn't correct, you just can't believe it is.

I always raise KK in EP. Never questioned it. But I began playing microlimits, where limping it is silly.

I guess I'm going to need to make a study of it. How often do I win the blinds? How often do I get called? What sort of pots do I win?

Because I'm not seeing any hint that anyone who thinks it's "correct" has any idea why.

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The question isn't one of getting action- limping UTG can often result in playing OOP in a multi way pot. This is TERRIBLE for a hand like KK. You either want to get it heads up or just take the blinds and move on.

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No, I don't want just to take the blinds. I want action with my big hands and I want to make money with them. I don't like getting to push/fold with the shortstack.

I'm interested in this question because I find, even at the very low limits I play, that the games are pretty tight. At least not the donkathons that everyone seems to think they are. I'll be sitting at t200 blinds with seven players still in the game!