[Clayton]

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Clayton,

First, I did mention one thing that PokerStars specifically said, which is that they do not have the time to review the original ActionJeff thread. To me, that is outrageous. They also contradicted themselves, i.e. one support person saying a certain action was against the rules, another one saying it is not, etc. If you really think this needs to be about PokerStars, perhaps I can start another thread about them specifically, but I think that is pretty unnecessary.

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I think it's entirely necessary to get specific on those matters asap, as not doing so weakens your argument towards the ineffectiveness of PokerStars.

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You have called me stubborn, but I have repeatedly asked for input on whether the article should be written, what it should be about, and expressed a willingness to be "educated" as to this matter. So, your insult is just ignorant.

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I have said specifically that stating the willingness to write an article that compromises online poker as a whole without considering other options would qualify as stubborn. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have yet to see that willingness to look into other options on your part, just on "what the article should be about". Pair that with the willingness to hurt poker overall here:

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I do not want to damage online poker more then it needs to be, but if my ultimate decision is to go forward with an article that exposes cheating in online poker, then you can blame me if you want, but you ought to blame the cheaters themselves, the sites that do little to combat them, and the otherwise honest people that would rather sweep it under the rug then address it directly.

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then I feel my claim is justified. But I'm not going to sidetrack. My main involvement in this thread is to adamantly be against the writing of an article, nothing more.


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Your input thus far has basically been "OH MY GOD DON'T HURT MY EV!"

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Wow, this is just downright insulting. Care to actually read my writings as opposed to just blindly stating I'm all about my own financial interests?

I don't need to state twice that I'm about changing things, but yet again, "I feel that writing an article is not the best way to go". The fact that this translates in your brain that since the reply comes from a young online poker player it must be all about his own financial interests is laughable. I happen to also care about the reputation of poker, since as is I shy away from talking about my work to my friends and family. The last thing I need is another negative connotation about gambling coming from the government or the press to further ensure that what I do constitues something "wrong", and "immoral". Also consider the EV taken away from well-to-do online professionals that don't involve themselves in games that involve this "cheating" at all.

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If you have specific content to contribute beyond that, I am willing to listen. However, calling me stubborn

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I would say that implying that my arguments are only served to my own benefits off the bat as well as not looking into my initial suggestion of starting a PPA geared towards online poker player ethics proves that you just want to write the article.

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or implying I am making things up about PokerStars isn't helpful.

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I'm not insinuating you are making things up, just that in the context of a serious argument where you make serious accusations towards PokerStars unwillingness', that you specifically outline your conversations with PokerStars so that evidence to your wanting to write an article is at least out there, and not your generalized statements. I don't distrust you, I'm just saying for the benefit of discussion it's in everyone's best interest that your evidence is actual evidence.

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What are you solutions?

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I gave one, the PPA-style thing. What do you think of it?

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Do you agree with Adanthar that this is a huge problem?

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Yes

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Do you think "fish" have a right to know if the games they are entering are fair?

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Adanthar specifically stated that 95% of PokerStars games don't even deal with this. Making this statement that insinuates fish enter unfair poker games given Adanthar's statement that I agree with shows that, yet again, you just want to write the article.

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Since this all came out, what have you done to address the problem specifically?

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I don't know anyone who does any of this, so there isn't much I can do. I did suggest the PPA thing geared towards online poker player ethics, however, and I think that's a great idea and hope others would latch on so something could be done.