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Old 07-22-2007, 03:10 PM
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Default Re: calling for str8 on paired flop

PF is fine. You're getting 7-1 (once UTG comes in for another bet), and have good relative position to the likely flop bettor. However, with most flops that "hit" you, you'll not be check-raising because your hand will be vulnerable, and in this spot you'll not be protecting your hand but padding the pot for a multi-way turn card. So, relative position isn't so important here. Anyway, 7-1 is enough for JTo, but you will need to play well post-flop.

You've got the idiot end of an OESD on a paired, two-flush board. Checking here is OK - I'd like to see if I can get a cheap price on my weak draw.

Hmm, it's two cold to us. This is where I would have stopped the action. It's a critical juncture in the hand. How big is the pot? 11.4 small bets and we have to call two - with the potential for it to be raised again. We are probably running a pot equity deficit here, so we -really- don't want to put in 3 or four bets. Is 5.7-1 good enough for our draw? I don't think it is, especially considering the chance we will probably be raised again.

How much of a dog are you against trips? How much of a dog are you against just an overcard and a flush draw? Don't know? Here you go:

Against a K: A little worse than a 3-1 dog.
Against A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]: A little worse than a 2-1 dog.
Against both: 6.3-1 dog.

It's the "horserace" lesson here. You might have enough to call against any -single- hand, but the combination of ranges is too much.

I'd fold the flop. If the pot were much bigger, I might call two cold here, but this draw is pretty weak.

Turn: MP2 pulls a check-raise 3-bet out of his ass here. Given the cap on the flop by CO, MP2 clearly went into this round intending on trapping the field. Making your hand while you are drawing dead is one of the worst places you can be - and the thought should have crossed your mind before you called the flop raise.

The river donk bet is spew. Everything after the cold-call of the flop raise is pretty suspect.

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The types of flops you want to see in multiway pots when playing JTo from the big blind are ones that don't put big hands/draws on the board, but connect with you in some way. If the flop were KQ5 rainbow, then it would clearly be OK to call the raise, and possibly even so with two suited cards on the board.

If you don't play medium offsuit connectors well in multi-way pots, then just fold pre-flop. When evaluating any hand pre-flop, you have to estimate it's money-making potential post-flop. A chart will NOT tell you this.
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