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Old 07-03-2007, 10:46 PM
rzk rzk is offline
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Default Re: improving my WTSD

thanks to all who gave their opinion, i'm learning a lot here and hoping other people will find this discussion useful too. you don't have to read my previous post unless you want an easy way to look at different people's opinions on the hands. once again, let's forget about hand 8 - i just didn't see all of my outs there. also let's forget the terrible spewy bluff in hand 15. then, based on the comments, it seems the hands that i might have folded incorrectly are: 4,5,9,10, and 14. if i can summarize the comments on these hands:

Hand 4. I folded. 3 people agree, 1 disagrees.
Hand 5. I folded. 2 people agree, 4 disagree, 1 flips a coin
Hand 9. I folded. 1 person agrees, 3 disagree.
Hand 10. I folded. 3 people agree, 1 disagrees
Hand 14. I folded. 2 people agree, 1 disagrees.

overall, i'm a bit puzzled how my WTSD could be only 30 if out of 750 hands I made a fold that the majority disagreed on only in 2 hands (5 and 9). plus i made a couple of calls that some people found debatable. perhaps besides those 15 hands above there are others, where i thought the decision to fold was more obvious but maybe it's not.

in any case, a couple of questions:

for hand 4 (ATo, board 63J), i thought the fold was superstandard. i remember a while ago i asked about what to do if i raise AJo, unknown bb calls and then donks a Q,rag,rag rainbow flop and got the advice to fold. Oink, you believe i must call - what am i missing?

for hand 5 (77, board 36T J K), with three cards in the playing zone and three clubs, does a player with AF=1.1 really call down after my 3-bet and then bets a river (instead of checking behind) with a 4th or 5th pair, A high, or a hand like 45 (which he probably would have limped with pf) 1 out of 6 times? my guess was that most people with these stats usually check behind a weak showdownable hand and only bet something like 45. what's the chance that he hasn't accidentally connected with so many cards in the playing zone after he raised pf? from watching stox's videos i got the impression that he routinely folds in similar situations with the words: "i have to give him credit for a hand". finally, what's most confusing to me is, if we call in this hand, why would we fold in hand 6 with only 2 overcards to our pair, lots of possible draws, and a more aggressive villain?

for hand 10 (44, board 593 J Q), Oink - you say to call down. but what does a passive villain bet 3 streets with? the flush draw connected on the river. i'm just as confused as in hand 5. is he really on a complete 3 barrell bluff 1 out of 6 times without having accidentally connected?
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