[tourney guy]

Jack and psandman - We are starting to close the gap here.

Your assertions about a player not relying on a players verbal count are for sure true.

PLayer who has to act can always ask for an exact count at any time.

Problem here is that the player DID NOT ASK for an exact count. He took the other players word, and for that, I as a floor and former cardroom manager, could not allow him to have it both ways.

If he acted, believing the bill total was 5, then 5 has to be in action, especially if it seems accurate. He cannot win 6 and only pay 5, that is completely unacceptable and flies in the face of fairness.

What is the role of the dealer.....IMO....very limited. He is not an advocate to reading bills or stacks on his/her own. He/She is there to run the game.

If a player doesn't ask for total accuracy of a tablew stake, then he/she bears the brunt of the error.

It is very similar to the other post where the guy cries about having his cards mucked.

He took it the wrong way.....I am not saying the dealer is right, or good, or not a complete chump.

What I am saying is that, based on 20+ years in gaming, is that you can only rely on yourself, and any post which does not begin with, 'I screwed up and did not protect my cards' is weak and unaccetable to me, dealer error/vindication not withstanding.

In this case, pLayer A asked what the bills were, believed, based on the asnwer and the stack in question that the stack was accurate, and bet accordingly.

He has only HIMSELF to blame, not the dealer or other player, if is found to be inaccurate after the action is complete.

Simple to me.