[katyseagull]

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Obama's out because he's black, Hillary's out because she's both a woman AND because she's Hillary,

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I don't think I agree with the first statement. I think a black man could win, just not sure about Obama. For instance I think Colin Powell could win. Obama's problems may be a lot more than his skin color. I've only seen him speak a couple of times and I think he might have trouble winning people over. He seems somewhat uncomfortable and halting when he speaks.

They say that people pick a candidate in terms of how honest they think the person is. Now I actually like what Obama has to say, I just think that his manner and presentation is a little stiff and forced which could pose a problem for him. I'm wondering if he has that sellability factor.

I agree with your second statement (above). Hillary will be out because she's both a woman and Hillary.