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The below doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Given that he's a pro and plays all the time, the number of times he ended up at the same table must be significant.

Ok, so what happens when he was dealt KK with one hand and JJ with another? AK versus AQ? There are actually a lot of combinations where one hand dominates the other. And given the speed of escalating blinds in these things, there's a lot of times when any of those hands would be an auto-allin, at least for us mortal players who pay our fee and play one hand.

Someone also pointed out that having six horses in a race is very different psychologically from having one. Fear of a bustout is a major motivating force for most players -- much less so if you have the repeatability factor of multiple accounts.

The guy won a *lot* of MTTs, and a number of big ones. He used an edge not available to the honest player. He probably took money out of people's pockets.

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I believe he did listen to it. At least Im quite sure he didn't do anything like this since we spoke. In any case I know that there are many poker players who know ZJ a lot better than me. I also don't feel he was talking to me asking about whether it was ethical or not, he just kind of brought it up matter of factly, to which I expressed my feelings on the topic and directed him to the fact that I made a public statement against the practice in the past, that said I would turn anyone in who plans to multiaccount events in the future.

He was willing to tell me about this without any prodding, simply out of the blue. I can only imagine he has told many many others about this as well, and they never really told him how unethical it was, else I can't imagine why he would have pinpointed me in his statement.

If I recall correctly, the topic was brought up when I was asking what he thought was the highest attainable EV figures in the weekend tournaments. I basically commented tat no one will ever know since it would take years and years of playing them constantly before you have even a semblence of an accurate sample size, and by that time your skill level may have changed drasticaly and etc etc....at that point he mentioned that if people are using multiple accounts you can get reasonable figures much faster and etc etc.


btw I don't think this form of cheating was quite as bad as some people are making it out to be. By this I mean the circumstances involved, everyone was doing it, sites weren't speaking out against it, etc etc. Now that has changed, and not only do I agree that it's unethical, but its with the poker site's full support, which is what's really important. You can think someone is cheating/unethical all you want, but if the poker site you are playing on doesn't feel that way, then you are probably wrong, because all that really matters is the rules the poker site regulates against.

Anyway now it's very clear that Party and Stars agree that this is flat out cheating, and anyone who does so is undeniably a cheater. Sorry if I sound like I'm defending the action. I really do feel it was and is cheating, it's just that I feel that there are much more serious types of cheating that go on all the time, that actually have a serious affect on someones EV. This form of cheating in a very large field of players has a very minor effect at most.

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