[TheEngineer]

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The group is very anti-gay so they will not derail Barney Frank. I hope Frank sticks it to them.

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QFT.

For a group who claim to be loving (FOF, not Christians in general), they sure have no love for Frank, nor he for them.

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Engineer,

You all can do what you want and I'm through making my point. But I again maintain that the above kinds of comments just derail what should be the real discussion of this thread, which is how properly to respond in the political arena to the arguments of FOF and others against the legislation we want.

Note that they would make the distinction, which you don't and possibly aren't willing to make, between being "anti" gay acts/lifestyle morally, and being "anti" the persons who do those acts and live that lifestyle (and I'm not going to engage in a full blown debate on same here - the proper venue for same is the SMP forum).

The more you focus on who is making the arguments against our position and the other positions they hold, the more you dilute our real counter-arguments against their specific arguments in *this* gamling/poker issue.

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Sorry, but I think it's a fair point. FOF (not necessarily all Christians) and Frank have no mutual love. That's important for us to understand, and it adds value to the discussion.

As for your claim that FOF practices "hate the sin, love the sinner", it sure seems like some of them don't mind discriminating against gays and demonizing them. For example, Jerry Falwell said "AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals" and "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters."

I'm a happy heterosexual, conservative Republican. I'm expressing what I see, and what Frank sees. We should understand this dynamic, IMO.