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i don't know why everyone is so quick to put the CO on such a narrow range of QQ+ here. After the SBs 3-bet, and our call, even tight players are going to play a wider range than usual here: any pair, high suited cards, maybe even suited connectors, suited Aces.



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those hands arent floating the flop very often and if they do they are hardly ever putting another cent into the pot unless they improve. my point was that if you do manage to get it in here, his range is much closer to 88/QQ+ than what you listed above.

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so you wanna check/fold the turn on the basis that we'll only get called if we're crushed?

i'm more than happy if we shove and villain folds KdQd or something similar. and i still think that we'll sometimes get called by worse hands.

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no, thats not what i said. i expect turn to go check/check pretty often and then we can value bet river expecting to get called by mp's more often than on the turn. and id rather ch/call a turn shove than open push.
also, dont you think diamonds + overs are shoving that flop a ton?