[Assani Fisher]

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Duncan averages 21.8, 11.9, and 3.2. Hakeem averages 21.8, 11.1, and 2.5. And thats not even factoring in pace and era.

Hakeem's career PER is 23.6, Duncan's is 25.2.

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these numbers include Hakeem's last 6 years, where he was no where near as productive as the first 12. FWIW Hakeem's averages through his first 10 seasons are 23.5/12.5/3.6. If Duncan plays 8 more years (which he probably won't, no offense to him, an 18 year career is unreal) his overall numbers will dip well below Hakeem's.

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More titles despite having at best a similar cast over the coures of his career, better stats despite playing on a slower paced team and in a lower scoring era, more awards and honors, better PER....how can you say "i'm not sure how anyone can argue on Duncan's side"?

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comparing number of titles is a poor way to compare players, and especially here. Hakeem had to compete against the best player and the best team in NBA history, as well as another historically great team (Jazz), while Duncan has not. Stats are slightly in favor of Duncan because he's still in his peak. Comparing peak seasons or first 10 years and it's clear Hakeem's stats are better.

I'll say it again, Hakeem was better offensively and defensively, and it's not really that argueable.

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LOL at the Jazz being "another great team." Kobe/Shaq's Lakers were way better than those Jazz- the two main stars are better and the supporting cast.

And since Hakeem NEVER FACED MJ'S BULLS IN THE PLAYOFFS, you can't use that as an excuse for them not winning more.

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LOL at your LOL. you consistantly have a hard on for players you've seen play, and underrate earlier players. Kobe on those early Lakers teams being better than Stockton is the most rediculous thing you've posted yet in this thread.

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Kobe during the Lakers(and Spurs) championship seasons was better player than STockton ever was. Go start a new thread asking people who was better, those Jazz teams or those Lakers teams. You can't honestly believe that the Jazz were better, can you?

So since Hakeem never played MJ's Bulls and since the Lakers were better than the Jazz, then the statement that Hakeem didn't win as much as Duncan just because there were better teams in the league then is flat out wrong.