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Something just occurred to me.

All you sanctimonious [censored] with your 'journey is the reward' and 'working and being productive' and sacredness of labor, blah blah blah blah blah?

What are YOU guys doing?

Could it be cushy office jobs where you have all the time in the world to sit around and chat on 2+2?

OH MY IT JUST MIGHT.

I work harder in one temp shift at a factory than most of you [censored] do all week. But those people are lazy, really, and that's why they don't get ahead, LOL.

Sorry, trying to turn over this new positive leaf, but I just had to get that off me chest.

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anacardo,

how do you think they got these jobs? Were they divinely blessed with The Gift of Employment? Frankly, much more sanctimony has been coming from your end - basically claiming that work is for suckers.

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They got those jobs for a lot of reasons, and 'hard work + good character' is a long way from the whole story.

Sanctimony? You can't be sanctimonious about being [censored] lazy. Work is for people who are better adjusted than me. One of these days I might really figure out how to be one of these 'in love with labor' types, for real no fakesies, and that's gonna be a pretty sweet day if it ever comes. But this would be a much better conversation all around if about half of you would just come down off your [censored] high horses.

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cardo,

then it's not even worth having this discussion at all. Look, the reason why I've been rather relentless is because I see myself in all your arguments. I haven't worked for 18 months and I haven't worked much at all in my life. I lucked into poker and did fantastically last year - better than I ever could've dreamt. Still, I don't feel like playing poker anymore as a living and haven't played a hand online in almost 6 months - it's not healthy for the soul, and not a lifetime solution for all but the truly great/committed players. I want to get out there and find a career - not just some sort of stopgap. I think it's perfectly okay to be young and to commit yourself to your passions rather than employment, but eventually there comes a point where that's just not going to be tenable - where you'll be working a [censored] job at 30 and being the same person you were at 25, in extended and pathetic adolescence.

I don't have any solutions - I have the same problem. That's why I suggested Pascal - he suggests that most of the things we do in our lives that we consider valuable, all of these petty desires are simply vain and empty. Sure, it was great to wake up at noon, play poker, read Dostoyevsky, watch a part of the Decalogue, then play some more hands - it feels terrific to be smarter than other people and prove it on the CGI felt, but it's not something that can ever be truly satisfying once you reach a certain age or maturity.

PS - don't listen to Thinman. He has no idea how a person like you is wired other than simple platitudes.