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It would be niave to think that with this ability, Zee didn't multi-account playing STTs. You think he ACTUALLY set rules about his cheating? Maybe at first, but that's a slippery slope that is pretty muddy, and I'm sure he fell downit pretty quick. I thought that Zee was playing many tables and teasing out a small edge and THAT is what made him a winning player. As it turns out he cheated to tease out a small edge. There is a big difference there. I don't think Zee pulls 30-150k if he doesn't cheat. That being said, what is he really risking? Make nothing and play straight, or cheat and pull fat cash..

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Yes, I do think he set rules. Look at his response. It is full of outrage at what has been done to him. Guilty men do not respond in this way. He believes (believed, Justin?) that what he did was a slight bending of the rules. Double sitting at a SNG or dumping in a big tourney is a Major violation. Additionally, what I have gleaned of his personality through his posts here on 2+2 and his website, the form of cheating he describes is all he is capable of doing. Cheating to a higher degree is not in his character, in my opinion.

I was simply giving a wide range as to his estimated earnings based on what I know limit players make. I have no idea how much SNG players make, but the top limit players earn in this range. You can "easily" make that kind of money without cheating in poker.

ZeeJustin is a fast-paced player. He loads up 12 tables (again, an estimate) and every time a table ends, he loads up another. When there is a new decision to be made, the table pops up, he looks at the action to him, his stack, their stack, the pot, the cards, and he acts within 2 seconds. He may not even remember the action on the previous streets. This is what he does. How do I know? Because that is what I do when I play that many tables. The idea of being able to "know what the other horse had" is silly. True, maybe he plays differently on Sunday. Maybe he only loads 6 tables and so can keep track of these things. But I don't think so. I don't think Justin is going to sacrifice his SNG earn to concentrate on the early portion of an MTT. Why? Cause I don't. When I play an MTT, I have 9 limit tables going and 1 MTT. I wouldn't be able to stand it any other way. I have to have constant decisions popping up when I play poker. I think Justin is the same way.

There are some good arguments brought up in this thread:

1) He cheated a little bit, that means he can cheat a lot.

People who think it is all right to shoplift ("walmart can afford it" "they're stealing from the community anyway" "it is just a candy bar") know that it is WRONG to steal from another person. Of course most people also know that it is WRONG to shoplift. That doesn't mean that shoplifters have no moral compass, no ethics.

2) HE HAD 6 HORSES!!!!

He plays 12 tables at a time. When you apply that logic to MTTs, it is surprising that he doesn't have more.

3) He is an arrogant little punk and greed is his master.

No. He is a human being subject to the same desires as you and I. He is also very driven. "I need to win. I can do better. I'm not making enough. I'm not good enough. I can do more. I can win." He doesn't need to cheat to satisfy these urges (which is why I'm surprised that he did). In fact, cheating doesn't satisfy half of these urges - to be the best, to succeed. He did cheat. But he didn't see it as cheating or else he couldn't do it.

4) He acknowledges that it is wrong to Grandma. He knew what he did was wrong, but made an EV decision that said, "this much EV gain is worth this much cheating."

Again, I'm surprised that though he thought this, he did it anyway. He was able to rationalize - "I'm not using these Grandmas to actively cheat. It is only the passive cheat of having multiple entries in a single tourney. People know my SNG game because I am internet-famous. It is only fair that I have anonimty when I play SNGs."

Justin cheated. However, he is not a corrupt human being. He is a cheater only becuase he did that which is cheating. He is not a born cheater who always looks for ways to cheat the system. If I sat next to him in a live casino, I wouldn't even worry about protecting my cards from his vision. He is a very good internet poker player, one of the best. He doesn't need to cheat to earn tens of thousands a month. In his mind, he never did cheat.

Of course, I could be wrong, I don't know him very well.

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For the most part I think I agree with you. Although I don't believe the statement of "in his mind he never did cheat". I think he knows now that it was cheating or at the least quite unethical.